Are they going to try to rob Fury?

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  1. Hurrikeen

    Hurrikeen Member Full Member

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    On the flipside, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Fury lose the plot if he is robbed and go off the rails again.
     
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  2. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    True but he might do that even if he wins as we saw after he beat Wlad.

    Though personally I think the doping issue was a big reason for why he went off the deep end last time. He knew full well that was looming in the background prior to the rematch with Wlad and he knew it was never going to happen and that he could get banned and he mentally folded under the pressure, which to be honest is understandable given the circumstances. He was about to have his lively hood taken away and his reputation smeared and in the UK it was not going to be a slap on the wrist 6 month ban they give in the US, he was going to be banned for years.

    As soon as the doping issue was sorted, he seemed to pull himself together.
     
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  3. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    He is a foreign fighter in America so to answer your question of course they are going to shaft him.
    Fury could win all 12 rounds and they would still give it to wilder.
    I can already here all the americans telling us how it could have gone either way
     
  4. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    100%

    He needs a KO.
     
  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good Lord.

    Yes. The laundry list of "gift" decisions Haymon champs like Deontay Wilder and the Charlos and Spence have received over non-Haymon fighters because of corrupt WBC judges adds up to a SHOCKING total of ZERO.

    I can see why you're so terrified of the scoring.
     
  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Because Deontay Wilder is always getting gift decisions?

    Keep in mind there's a rematch clause either guy can execute.

    They are basically going to be fighting TWICE in the next year.

    No need for either to "go off the rails."

    But nice to see you aren't panicking.
     
  7. Tankatron

    Tankatron Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't recall Wilder ever being down in any of his fights prior to the stoppage. He got completely out boxed by a Polish football hooligan and yet was up on the cards, didn't win a round against Ortiz eccept for the Kd's and benefitted from a unwarranted ref/doctor intervention and....was up on the cards, didn't win a round against Gerald Washington, but was up on the cards.

    Wilder has the ultimate get out of jail free card in that right hand, a right hand that will fail him, he's broke it multiple times, at which point he gets out boxed but, will still get the decision.
     
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  8. Hurrikeen

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    What on Earth are you ranting on about? Nobody is 'panicking'.

    Firstly, no, Wilder isn't always getting gift decisions. But that's because he's banjoing everyone - the scorecards at the time of a number of stoppages have extremely dubious - yet should Fury avoid being KO'd, the chance of a robbery could well become reality.

    I'm well aware of the rematch clause. However, there was a scheduled rematch between Fury & Wlad and look what happened there - no guarantees the same wont happen.
     
  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder has never received an unjust decision. Ever.

    Wilder gave Fury a 50-50 split on the purses.

    Wilder gave Fury the option of demanding an immediate rematch if he loses.

    Wilder gave Fury and his team the option to pick the ref.

    "The Mexicans" are glad to have "foreigners" as champs in the WBC.

    Fury is getting in the best shape we've seen him in. Fury has had zero complaints with the Wilder team.

    You guys all insisted for months that this fight would never occur. Now that it is, you're grabbing at straws.

    If it goes 12, Fury will win. If it ends in KO, Wilder will win. That's basically it.

    Should be a fun night. I hope so, because we'll likely see it again around May 2019 in the UK.
     
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  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, Fury blew the drug test. How would that be Wilder's fault or Al Haymon's fault if that occurred?

    Jesus.

    And the FIRST time Wilder is the recipient of a bad decision, feel free to complain.

    Since it hasn't happened in his nearly 10-year pro career, and Fury hasn't lost a bad decision in his nearly 10-year pro career, and none of Al Haymon's champs right now have ever been recipients of gift decisions, and those "Mexicans" running the WBC don't seem to have a problem with "foreign" champs holding their belts, I don't think it's a major point of concern.
     
  11. Hurrikeen

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    Are you picking up selective points and trying to rehash them together to make a point?

    I'll explain this simply for you, taking into account the premise of the thread title - "Are they going to rob Fury".

    1. IF the fight goes 12 rounds, a robbery is POSSIBLE because the scorecards at the time of the Szpilka, Washington & (especially) Ortiz fights were laughably in Wilder's favour, so it's not some wildly-absurd suggestion to say the same happens in this.

    2. Whether Fury has a rematch clause or not, history tells us he may not take up that option (though you would like to think his mental issues are now put to one side). This isn't a slight on Wilder, this was purely in response to another poster in the event Fury IS robbed (see point #1).

    Hope this helps.
     
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  12. Dubblechin

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    Especially Ortiz?

    All three judges had Wilder up ONE Point (85-84) on Luis Ortiz after nine rounds, and Wilder had floored Ortiz HARD in one of those rounds resulting in Ortiz losing two points (meaning he wouldn't have been behind if he hadn't been floored).

    How the hell was that a "robbery" to that point? That's what this is all about? Because some guys on a message board who don't like Wilder thought his opponent should've been up by more before Wilder CAVED HIS HEAD IN?

    If Fury gets his head caved in, he loses. If Fury outboxes Wilder over 12 rounds, Fury wins.

    Or, since you all think Wilder's chin is made of glass, Fury can just knock Wilder out and not worry about it.

    But anyone starting threads worrying about Wilder getting a "gift decision" is just sore because the fight is finally happening and their excuses have all run out.

    The entire premise - from the WBC hates foreigners, to Wilder's going to get a gift decision by the WBC to protect him because he's an Al Haymon fighter and they need to keep him undefeated for a Joshua fight - is based on NOTHING.

    There is no Wilder-Joshua fight. Joshua has to fight mandatories all next year.

    And Wilder will likely have to fight Fury again.
     
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  13. Hurrikeen

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    You do realise Ortiz also had a 10-8 round when he pummelled Wilder into a wobbly-legged mess. And then, for some unbeknown reason - seeing as Wilder had no cuts or anything - he was given another 30+ secs recovery time at the start of the 8th. How convenient.

    Anyway, back to my point...

    Both had a 10-8 round during the fight, so if we cancel those two rounds, all 3 judges still felt Wilder was deservedly ahead of Ortiz after 7 of those 9 completed rounds - which is quite simply absurd.

    Then you’ve got the Spzilka & Washington cards too at the point of stoppage - also extremely dubious.

    Also...

    “Anyone starting threads worrying about Wilder getting a gift decision is just sore because the fight is finally happening and their excuses have all run out”

    ....what that has to do with anything, I haven’t a ****ing clue. It literally makes zero sense.

    Wilder getting a gift decision is not a belief amongst a select number on here just because he’s fighting Fury. It’s because scorecards of Wilder vs the aforementioned at the time of stoppages hint a such.

    Now wind it in with your strawman arguments.
     
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  14. Dubblechin

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    If Luis Ortiz hadn't gone down in the fifth, he'd have been up 86-84 on the cards WHEN WILDER KNOCKED HIM OUT in the tenth.

    Ortiz was floored hard in the fifth, and instead of Ortiz winning the round 10-9, Wilder won it 10-8 (a three-point swing).

    That's the difference in the score.

    That's your HUGE scandal?

    Instead of Ortiz being up 86-84, Wilder knocked him down so Deontay was leading by a point (85-84) with three rounds to go?

    SOMEBODY CALL THE FBI!!!!!!

    Jesus. Go away. Seriously.
     
  15. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    All valid points sir, well done surprised you don’t get more likes....well not that surprised lol
     
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