Deontay W deserves at least 40%

Yeah but that's not what Wilder camp were saying and showtime... they were like yeah we'll do massive numbers easy.

And many posters on here were like .... yeah they'll do big numbers.

Regardles....7K is nothing short of pathetic.... I mean come on..... I don't care how bad US market is... that is BAD. Promoters all took the day off bad.

 

Suppose in terms of the claims that were going round, they are awful numbers.


I think i saw Wilder say this would do 2m buys, can't wait to see what it actually does. For the sake of boxing though, i'd like it to do quite well

 

Even though I'm not a fan of Wilder, for the sake of boxing as a whole, I want this fight to do well, as do others here. However, l don't see it doing anywhere near 2m buys and therefore 40% does not seem very realistic to me. Anywhere from 20 to 30% if he wins sounds a lot more reasonable at this point (and that is being generous too IMO.)

 

I'd say he even deserves 45% for the Fury fight.

 

Sure, but my point was that most boxers careers are longer than one fight. AJ isn't relying on one mega fight to quadruple his career earnings, unlike his opponents.

 

That's a fair point, but we're talking solely about this fight, and it isn't just AJ that makes the fight as big as it is

 

40% for fighting Fury? I'd be surprise if he got that much..

 

Ok. Like I said, it takes two to tango, I know. Wilder will get his slice of the AJ pie but, ultimately, he is a minnow by comparison.
Like I said, if Wilder retires tomorrow it doesn't really matter. If AJ retires, then Whyte, Fury,Wilder et al will be devastated, or at least their bank managers will be.
Wilder will get his cut and rightfully so but in reality, he isn't worth spit to Joshua other than for his WBC trinket and the undisputed status it offers.

 

How much is Wilder making vs Fury and vice versa anyway? I highly doubt its going to get them over $15 mill a piece baring in mind poor promotion and low current numbers.

Remember: in Wilder's yulaverse $15 million is crackhead money and Whyte is a peasant.

 

Neither will personally be $15M richer when it's all done and dusted. Both will probably add 2-4 mil to their bank by Christmas.
I do think it deserves more interest than it currently seems to have but, if Wilder had taken on better competition and Fury had fought 1 or 2 actual names before announcing, it would probably be getting the respect and numbers it deserves.

 

When Eddie Hearn said he wanted to get AJ v Wilder done before Dec 1st there was many on here who claimed he was saying that as he was worried about how Wilder v Fury performed and wanted to get a deal done before Wilder's worth increases.

Well it hasn't quite worked out like that. What you have now 11 days prior to the fight is an arena not even half sold and a PPV which history says we are looking at say a maximum of 300k ppv buys but potentially could be lower.

If Dentoy Wilder gets offered 40% he needs to grab it with both hands as that would be a great deal for him.

 

To get $15 mill each the PPV would need to do very well. From what I've read the basic generic breakdown of the PPV revenue is usually the distributor takes 10% off the top of the gross as a guarantee, then the remaining 90% gets split down the middle and so the promoter will have 45% of the total PPV to pay all the fighters and cover all the costs.

Let's say the live gate covers the undercard so the PPV and overseas TV deals will need to bring in a minimum total of $30 mill for both Wilder and Fury to get $15 mill each. Let's say UK does well 400k buys that's $10.37 mill but of course you only get 45% of that so it's really $4.66 mill. Other overseas rights, let's say that's another $3 mill.

So US PPV needs to generate enough so that 45% makes $22.3 mill. The US PPV would need to do 764K buys to do that. I personally think that would be very, very optimistic based off the poor ticket sales and no boxer before in the US has done more than 400K when headlining a PPV for the first time.

If the PPV does 200K in the US which seems more realistic and the UK does 400K then they could earn $6.75 mill each, if it does 300K in the US then they get $8.2 mill each, if it does 400K then they get $9.8 mill each.

When you consider Hearn offered Wilder at least $8 mill to fight Whyte and he might not make that vs Fury on PPV you can see how unrealistic Wilder's financial demands are.

 

After the Miller fight Hearn again said he'd still want an opponent decided for the April date by Dec 1st which obviously won't likely be Wilder with him committed to a rematch with Fury. He clearly has a time table in his head set. He probably doesn't want to be negotiating a huge fight during December he is a family man and will have personal engagements like we all due over the festive period, that's probably the real reason for wanting the fight sorted by December.

I don't think he'll get what he wants though. If the Wilder/Fury fight bombs as it looks like it will, it might kill the rematch due to being a financial disaster. So the winner might want that April date, then you have Whyte/Chisora that could effect the April date. Hearn wanted the Joshua/Parker fight done by the new year and that dragged on and I suspect negotiations for Joshua's April date will too.

 

4 Belts.

AJ brings the IBF, WBA, WBO.

Wilder brings the WBC.

Based upon this split plus AJ bringing the serious coin in, then I would suggest based upon current ownership of belts that 75% : 25% is quite fair. At a push, 70% : 30% maximum.

Wilder needs AJ more than AJ needs Wilder. One has the belts and the major ££££s compared to the other...

 

I totally agree. Fans might not like it but this is prize fighting. It's an entertainment business.
5 mil + 15mil for Wilder Vs nobody then Joshua was a great deal for Wilder. People are mad thinking Wilder should be anywhere near a 50/50 Vs AJ.
The raw numbers don't lie.
The old adage goes: you get paid for your last fight.
It's very true for Wilder in this regard, if he steps up and puts in a good performance against a true top 3 contender, he will be rewarded in his subsequent fight regardless of opposition.
Why he and his rabid fans can't grasp this I don't know....