Wilder is a Glass Jawed Fraud, Fury is going to EXPOSE that fragile mandible

Its not as simple as that.

its not as simple as...

'Fighter A was stopped by fighter B, and Fighter C hits harder than fighter B, therefore, fighter A has a bad chin, and fighter C is going to stop him'


When you are as new to boxing as Wilder was in that fight, yes.... you do respond to punches differently, than when you are a seasoned pro. The reason is, is because 10 years of training camps later, your anticipation for punches has become second nature, and you are able to see the punches coming better, so that you are overall more prepared to take a hard punch than you are when you are new to the sport. Its the basis for 'the punches you dont see coming are the ones that hurt you'. That principle cannot be overstated. The same fighter can have two completely different responses to the same punches, based on his anticipation and preparedness for the punch.

It is for that reason that you cannot compare the 'chins' of a novice to when he is a seasoned pro, when as a pro he has indeed shown the ability to withstand power punches.

Its very common for fighters to get hurt by lesser punches, than the ones they wind up taking in the future.

Take David Haye. As an amature, David was stopped by Jim Twite. Completely rocked and ref called it off, from one punch. And Twite was no power puncher. When he turned pro, he went two wins, one loss, and failed to win his victories by stoppage against guys who were 5-15 and 2-18.

Now, fast forward to his career, and while not 'iron chinned', the idea that Haye never, ever again took a punch harder than the one that had him flopping around the ring as an amature, with bigger gloves, and HEADGEAR, as a pro, is ridiculous.

He did. Although he gets labeled with a bad chin, the truth is, that in sparring and in fights, Haye has taken plenty of power punches from very large, hard hitting professional fighters, without showing those same effects the majority of the time. And if you used the logic of 'Jim Twite KO'd Haye, with HEADGEAR ON', Klitschko/Valuev/Chisora/ect are going to KO him, leading into his championship fights, that logic would fail the majority of the time.

Why?

Because... again, its just not as simple as the way you are making it out to be.

And if you do not like the Haye example, there are of other examples of fighters being hurt by lesser punches and lesser punchers than they would go on to withstand later as a pro.

If you do not think that the hardest punches that Ortiz caught Wilder with, are harder than the ones that hurt Wilder in that fight 10 years ago... Im not really sure what to say?

Wilder does not have an excellent chin, its not one of his notable attributes obviously, but the notion he is china chinned, is imo not the case.

Time will tell though.

 

Maybe I didnt get what your post was saying, and so perhaps my response was not aimed properly, but what I am getting at is....

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* Fighters, especially as novices, get hurt from lesser punches and punchers quite commonly, than what they would go on to withstand at later times, and using 'chin logic' that I described, and what it at least appears you are trying to apply, often fails when talking about who can realistically stop who, based on isolated incidences from years and years earlier. Gauging chins based on isolated occurrences, as opposed to regular occurrences, isnt as simple as pointing 'to that one time'.

* The Ortiz fight, is as much, if not more, of a barometer of Wilders overall current durability, as an amature fight from 10 years ago.

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For the record, I am not saying Fury cant stop Wilder. Perhaps he can... I just dont think the case to be made for it is based on an amature fight from 10 years ago.