Question for those who think Usyk is too small to take punches from big heavyweight punchers

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Luis Fernando, Nov 20, 2018.


If heavyweight KO punchers like Joshua and Wilder fail to KO Usyk, does it make them feather fisted?

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  2. No

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Usyk does move up to heavyweight, and is able to TAKE punches from big punchers in the heavyweight division like Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder without getting stopped and in the same way he managed to take punches from the top cruiser weights, are you going to admit that those big heavyweight punchers like Joshua and Wilder are TOTAL, and are OTHER WORLDLY feather fists of an INSANE and an ASTRONOMICAL level? And that they would have to question their value as human beings, for being unable to KO this insanely small Usyk who you believed before he arrived at the heavyweight division, that he would be too small and weak to take punches from big punching heavyweights?

    No U-Turns are allowed. You can't SUDDENLY claim Usyk has a great chin / has great durability after he takes punches from big punching heavyweights, without getting KO'ed, if you INITIALLY believed Usyk was too chinny, lacked durability and was too small to take punches from big hitting heavyweights before he fought those heavyweights. You can't claim to be objective and then later claim Usyk has a great chin AFTER he takes punches from those heavyweights without getting knocked out when you were claiming the total opposite BEFORE Usyk fought those guys.

    Usyk has already shown how good his durability and chin is. He has never been stopped in his amateur + pro boxing career, consisting of over 200 bouts. And out of all of those bouts, he has never even been dropped by a single face / head punch. He has shown he's durable enough to take punches from big super heavyweights weighing 225+ pounds that are also 6 foot 4 inches or taller. He has also shown he is durable enough to take punches from concussive knockout artists in the cruiser weight division who have also knocked out big heavyweights.

    If all of the above feats aren't sufficient enough evidence to convince you that he is durable enough to compete with modern day heavyweights, then you won't be convinced. And you must make sure that if Usyk does manage to take punches from those big hitting heavyweights without getting KO'ed, then you call these heavyweights that you considered 'big hitting' or 'power punchers' before, to be TOTAL FEATHER FISTS of INSANE AND ASTRONOMICAL / OTHERWORLDLY PROPORTIONS. Objectively speaking, you lose the right to call Usyk a granite chinned boxer AFTER he fights heavyweight power punchers, if you aren't currently ALREADY sold on his durability.
     
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  2. BoxingABC1

    BoxingABC1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Didn't Beterbiev drop him with a body shot?

    EDIT: Ignore this, i skim-read too fast and thought it said head/body
     
  3. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’ve noticed most people on here treat usyk as a flyweight, the way people talk about his size compared to Joshua you’d think Usyk is a midget, also it seems that it is a foregone conclusion that Joshua knocks Usyk out... Usyk has never been hurt in his career and got clipped by arguably a bigger puncher than Joshua in Gassiev
     
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  4. Dfaulds

    Dfaulds Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ridiculous post. Joshua is a much bigger puncher than Gassiev.
     
  5. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Gassiev landed a looping right hand and didn't really even turn his body into it. And Usyk was visibly shaken and had to clinch after.

    Not saying Usyk has a bad chin at all. I think its good.
     
  6. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Joshua's right hand connects cleanly on Usyk then he's going to be hurt, end of. I'm not saying AJ beats him, KO's him or even floors Usyk but it's almost inconceivable to me that a cruiserweight can take punches that full sized heavies could not.
     
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  7. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, he isn't. You and a lot of posters on here don't understand the difference in punching power between a HW and a CW.
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Sky Sports Article from the other day



    Would Oleksandr Usyk trouble Anthony Joshua at heavyweight?

    Measuring the undisputed cruiserweight king against boxing's biggest men

    There is a new, intriguing challenge for Anthony Joshua to consider. Oleksandr Usyk has the brains but does he have the brawn? James Dielhenn assesses Usyk’s heavyweight assault.

    A knockout of Tony Bellew on Saturday means Usyk's cruiserweight career is likely complete - it yielded an Olympic gold medal then all four world title belts and the World Boxing Super Series tournament. His sights are set on bigger things, literally.

    He will "definitely" target Joshua, the unified world heavyweight champion, but stepping into the top division where giants lurk is a dangerous business. Flashy skills won't necessarily help you against sheer brute force.

    How Usyk measures up

    Height Reach Weight in last fight
    Usyk 6’3’’ 78'' 14st 4lbs

    How the heavyweights measure up

    Height Reach Weight in last fight
    Joshua 6’6’’ 82’’ 17st 8lbs
    Wilder 6’7’’ 83’’ 15st 4lbs
    Fury 6’9’’ 85’’ 18st 6lbs
    Whyte 6’4’’ 78’’ 18st 6lbs
    Chisora 6’2’’ 74’’ 17st 11lbs
    Povetkin 6’2’’ 75’’ 15st 12lbs
    Parker 6’4’’ 76’’ 17st 4lbs
    Takam 6’2’’ 81’’ 17st 8lbs

    ''Becoming heavyweight champion of the world is not what I’m dreaming of. It’s my goal. It’s what I’m planning to do.''

    --Oleksandr Usyk

    There is reason to believe Usyk could bridge the gap from his cruiserweight comfort zone.

    Standing 6'3'' Usyk is taller than Alexander Povetkin, Derek Chisora and Carlos Takam and only an inch shorter than Dillian Whyte and Joseph Parker. None of those heavyweights have a longer reach than Usyk's 78''.

    Weight is the major problem he will face.

    Usyk's 14st 4lbs frame must increase by a stone, at least, but that is still some way short of Joshua's huge physique which has recently been trimmed to just shy of 18st.

    Povetkin, Joshua's most recent challenger, is an example of a 15st heavyweight who packs a punch.

    Deontay Wilder notably weighs-in light (15st 4lbs last time out) but he stands four inches taller than Usyk with five inches more reach.

    "Usyk needs to move up in the right stages, and figure out what it's like being with 17 or 18 stone guys who can punch very hard," Joshua said in September.

    "It's not just based on skill, the heavyweight division. It's based on will. How much you can take.

    "I know he's got amateur experience and has done well as a cruiserweight but if he moves up to the heavyweight division, it will also test his will as well as his skill."

    -- Anthony Joshua


    Usyk's endurance, footwork and elusiveness are the reasons that he plans to challenge Joshua.

    His work-rate and the quantity of punches that he throws over the 12-round duration would cause problems for naturally bigger men unaccustomed to working at his pace.

    He has a chin, too - arguably the most vital commodity in the top division.

    As amateurs, Usyk beat Joe Joyce, now a 6-0 pro heavyweight whose height, reach and weight is almost identical to Joshua's.

    "There were only five weight categories so it was like a catchweight," Joyce remembered. "But he was taking out the super-heavyweights as well!

    "His punches didn't bother me because he was lighter, but he was so crisp and sharp. With his head movement, it is really hard to even lay a glove on him."

    Froch: Usyk a threat at heavyweight
    Carl Froch told the Sky Sports pundit team that Oleksandr Usyk has the skills and physique to be a dangerous fighter at heavyweight.
    Carl Froch says Usyk has the skills and physique to be a dangerous fighter at heavyweight
    It is when punches fly towards him that Usyk might find problems. Bellew had success in the early rounds by landing a counter right hand, delivered straight down the pipe when the southpaw Usyk crept forwards.

    That is Joshua's favourite punch. And his version of the straight right hand is a different kettle of fish to Bellew's.

    Would Usyk be able to paint his pretty pictures in the face of Joshua's heavy shots? And would his balance be maintained at a two or three stone weight disadvantage?

    Usyk is susceptible to right hands - that would be a problem if he fought Joshua
    From cruiserweight to heavyweight

    Height Reach Weight
    Haye 6'3'' 78'' 15st 2lbs vs Klitschko
    Holyfield 6'3'' 78'' 15st 5lbs vs Lewis
    Usyk? 6'3'' 78'' 14st 4lbs

    Cruiserweight kings have enjoyed success as heavyweights in the past, before squaring up to the division's ruler.

    Evander Holyfield and David Haye are the only men to be world champions in both divisions. They possess identical dimensions to Usyk. They weighed less than 16st as heavyweights which is a ballpark figure that Usyk would likely reside in, too.

    Holyfield famously beat Mike Tyson (a small heavyweight in his own right) and Haye toppled the enormous but limited Nikolai Valuev. But they were unable to overcome, respectively, Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko (giants above 6'5'' tall and around 18st).

    Bellew said post-fight about Usyk: "The only thing that will hold him back is his size. He won't be able to keep imposing himself. Someone like Tyson Fury would be phenomenally hard to beat, purely because he is that big."

    Usyk is a threat but Joshua is a bigger task, in more ways than one, than he has ever faced.
     
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  9. Sinbad

    Sinbad New Member Full Member

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    Oh man, usyk looked so awful against bellew. We'll see what happens if he get hit by AJ or wilder.
    And i think usyk gonna go after where the money is with the big boys, but his handlers will have him tested first.
    I mean, when he eventually moves up in weight, i bet he gonna fight some heavy gatekeeper.
     
  10. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Usyk is as big as Parker, Whyte and Ugonoh. But much more skilled.
     
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  11. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Underestimate this man at your peril!
     
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  12. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    This thread really doesn't make sense. You are trying to call people hypocritical if they say they think Usyk will get KO'd by one of the champs, if they don't say the champs are featherfisted? Huh? I mean, I didn't spend too much time reading this drivel, but it looks really stupid. And its laughable for you to call anyone hypocritical after you made a thread saying how anyone under 6'4 should be considered an underdog in HW title fights, only to switch and decide Usyk should be favored over everyone in the division, despite still having never actually fought in the division. That is the most dramatic about face I've ever seen on these boards.

    Personally, I think Uysk probably loses by (T)ko to AJ and Wilder, loses by points to Fury, and probably beats anyone else in the division. But if he survives to lose on points to AJ etc, then so what? And if he beats everyone and clears out the division? Great for him. It will be the first time a comparatively small, movement based fighter who doesn't rely on power has dominated the HW division in history. I'll give him full credit. I just think it is highly unlikely, because of that lack of precedent.
     
  13. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    James Toney started at MW, yet proved to have a better chin than most HW"s.
     
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  14. kirk

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    If Usyk shows the ability to withstand a couple flush power punches from the likes of AJ, Wilder and Ortiz... I'll say... he's simply got a granite chin. End of.
     
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  15. BoxingABC1

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    Don’t think he looked even close to awful
     
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