Question for those who think Usyk is too small to take punches from big heavyweight punchers

That comment mentions CURRENT and PAST 'heavyweights'. Usyk is neither! He is a FUTURE 'heavyweight'! I knew I had to spell that out for you.

 

I really don't understand why people like you become so emotional over a boxing related discussion in a boxing forum? Relax! It is just boxing! No need to go all into your feelings! We're not discussing the end of the world here.


Anyway, before you start calling others hypocritical and stupid, and before you start using all these big words such as 'fallacy', 'factoids', 'extrapolate', 'blather', 'cogent' 'brazen' and etc. I advice you to get back to the basics and reassess your reading comprehension. Since my point about super heavyweights being favorites over small heavyweights, was only in relation to PAST and CURRENT heavyweights. Usyk is neither a PAST heavyweight, nor is he a CURRENT heavyweight. He is a FUTURE heavyweight! At no point did I state that a small heavyweight in the FUTURE, won't be a favorite to beat top super heavyweights. I challenge you to point out where I stated that!

So that alone, debunks your entire long waffling post that is full of blabber and renders it useless.

But I'll entertain your post anyway and address your points.


Last time I checked, Evander Holyfield wasn't a power puncher / knockout artist but he managed to become the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, after his cruiser weight reign. There's no evidence at all that Holyfield had greater punching power than Usyk.

Secondly, you nonstop repeat the statement: "becoming the first smaller than average HW who doesn't rely on power to dominate a division".

You seem to be obsessed with this 'historical fact'. But ignore another historical fact, which is that the best cruiser weights in their time, who have moved up to the heavyweight division, have all had some form of success. And the best cruiser weights who were most dominant (relative to their era), had the MOST success at heavyweight when they moved up. So for example, Holyfield was more dominant at cruiser weight than David Haye was at cruiser weight. And Holyfield also had more success at heavyweight than David Haye had at heavyweight? Are you now seeing the pattern and getting the picture?

You claim it is a logical fallacy for me to believe Usyk can do unprecedented stuff at heavyweight, due to him doing unprecedented stuff at cruiser weight?

Now let me ask you a question: Why should I believe Usyk couldn't also do unprecedented stuff at heavyweight, as he has done at cruiser weight? Why couldn't he become the first smaller than average heavyweight who doesn't rely on punching power, to become the best heavyweight in the world, when he has already become the first cruiser weight in history to hold 4 cruiser weight titles simultaneously whilst also being the first cruiser weight to become undisputed champion in the fewest number of fights whilst also being the first cruiser weight to win every title fight in his opponent's backyard?

Point is, Usyk has done many things in his career that have happened only once for the first time. Why couldn't he also do things in the heavyweight division that haven't happened before?

You could say "Oh but Usyk never proved himself at heavyweight before". That much is true! But Usyk, before he turned pro, also never proved himself at cruiser weight in the pros either. But when he did turn pro and when he did start competing at cruiser weight, he has accomplished unprecedented feats. So why couldn't he repeat himself at heavyweight? That's something that hasn't been answered PROPERLY!


Why do I believe Usyk can become the best heavyweight in the world? Simply because, I've seen Usyk fight big heavyweights before and he has shown he matches up better against them, than he does against smaller, more athletic and elusive boxers. Stylistically, he is more effective against big super heavyweights and his style is made to be effective against them.

Secondly, I've also seen current top heavyweights like Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury struggling to beat / KO smaller opponents the size of Usyk. But those smaller opponents aren't anywhere near as skilled, athletic and elusive as Usyk is.

Joseph Parker is really no bigger than Usyk, but he managed to take all of Joshua's punches without even going down once whilst for the most part, being able to neutralize Joshua's biggest weapons, rendering them ineffective and useless. So why couldn't a much better Usyk have more success and perform even better?

Artur Szpilka was winning rounds, and was making Wilder miss punches left right center, making him look silly whilst out-boxing him. Szpilka is another guy who is no bigger than Usyk. So why couldn't the better Usyk do even better against Wilder and have even more success (since if he does, he most likely wins)?

Steve Cunningham and Mc Dermott, guys who are around the same size as Usyk, were beating Tyson Fury. Any reason why Usyk, who is better than both, couldn't do even better against Fury?


Now I'm not claiming I make Usyk the favorite against EVERY heavyweight. But from what I've seen, in a fair fight, I see Usyk beating those above guys I've just mentioned.

 

WSB is not the amateurs. At any rate, I suggest amateurs boxers, with or without amateur gear, that have totally destroyed the likes of Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder, have failed to even drop Oleksandr Usyk once.

I suggest super heavyweights the size of Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder, who have failed to also drop Usyk even once.

I suggest cruiser weight knockout artist, who have put multiple opponents to sleep, including those, that Usyk has fought back to back, without even suffering a SINGLE knockdown. And before you say "Oh but they're cruiser weights and therefore they don't count". Briedis, a former Usyk victim that is a cruiser weight but managed to KO Manuel Charr more brutally than Alexander Povetkin. And Alexander Povetkin KO'ed Carlos Takam more brutally than the big hitting Anthony Joshua who's power is getting GROSSLY and DISGUSTINGLY overrated by some of you people.

Find me just ONE fight, and I mean just ONE fight where Joshua KO'ed an opponent as BRUTALLY as Gassiev KO'ed Jordan Shimmell in this clip with a SINGLE PUNCH:

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And before you say, "Oh but Shimmell is a cruiser weight so therefore he doesn't count". Keep in mind, that Joshua has fought opponents that are as big, and some EVEN SMALLER than Shimmell before. Some of those Joshua opponents were blown up cruiser weights who would be natural cruiser weights like Jordan Shimmell if they weren't fat and overweight. Yet, Joshua has still NEVER EVER KO'ed an opponent as brutally and as concussively as Gassiev KO'ed Shimmell.

Look, Joshua faced a 5 foot 11 midget named Denis Bakhtov (a midget compared to Joshua) who is overweight and is arguably naturally EVEN smaller in size than Jordan Shimmell who is both taller and has a longer reach than Bakhtov. But Joshua couldn't even drop this Bakhtov in 2 rounds, despite landing multiple of his best and flush power punches. Instead, Joshua received a premature gift standing stoppage in that fight.

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Understand that this is the same Bakhtov who was dropped thrice in the first round alone, by another 6 foot 0 midget in Evgeny Romanov (midget compared to Joshua). But Joshua couldn't even drop this midget in Bakhtov in 2 rounds, much less KO him as brutally as Gassiev KO'ed Shimmell.

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There are plenty of other guys Joshua faced who were as big in size as Jordan Shimmell but Joshua still couldn't KO them as brutally as how Gassiev KO'ed Shimmell. And I'd think Gassiev has EVEN GREATER PUNCHING POWER than Evgeny Romanov (based on eye test evidence). Yet, Joshua didn't even display greater punching power than Evgeny Romanov against the same common opponent in Denis Bakhtov.

So I really don't understand how according to some people, Joshua indisputably and conclusively has proven to be a much more powerful puncher, to the point where somehow even comparing Joshua's and Gassiev's power is supposed to be wrong and is supposed to be blasphemous. When evidence doesn't even suggest Joshua hits that hard.


Just to keep things in perspective, Usyk faced Gassiev level punchers BACK TO BACK without suffering a SINGLE knockdown.

There's very little evidence Joshua hits harder than Gassiev. And there's very little reason to believe Joshua can hurt or inflict more damage on Usyk than what Usyk has already experienced. I simply don't see it!

And YOU ALSO don't be surprised if Usyk TAKES flush punches from heavyweights without getting dropped / stopped / KO'ed as well. In fact, don't be at all surprised if Usyk ALSO makes the likes of Joshua look like INSANE feather fists where they look like they have the power of little sissies when their punches just bounce of Usyk's body with very little to no effect.

 

Find me just ONE fight, and I mean just ONE fight where Joshua KO'ed an opponent as BRUTALLY as Gassiev KO'ed Jordan Shimmell in this clip with a SINGLE PUNCH:

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And before you say, "Oh but Shimmell is a cruiser weight so therefore he doesn't count". Keep in mind, that Joshua has fought opponents that are as big, and some EVEN SMALLER than Shimmell before. Some of those Joshua opponents were blown up cruiser weights who would be natural cruiser weights like Jordan Shimmell if they weren't fat and overweight. Yet, Joshua has still NEVER EVER KO'ed an opponent as brutally and as concussively as Gassiev KO'ed Shimmell.

Look, Joshua faced a 5 foot 11 midget named Denis Bakhtov (a midget compared to Joshua) who is overweight and is arguably naturally EVEN smaller in size than Jordan Shimmell who is both taller and has a longer reach than Bakhtov. But Joshua couldn't even drop this Bakhtov in 2 rounds, despite landing multiple of his best and flush power punches. Instead, Joshua received a premature gift standing stoppage in that fight.

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Understand that this is the same Bakhtov who was dropped thrice in the first round alone, by another 6 foot 0 midget in Evgeny Romanov (midget compared to Joshua). But Joshua couldn't even drop this midget in Bakhtov in 2 rounds, much less KO him as brutally as Gassiev KO'ed Shimmell.

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There are plenty of other guys Joshua faced who were as big in size as Jordan Shimmell but Joshua still couldn't KO them as brutally as how Gassiev KO'ed Shimmell. And I'd think Gassiev has EVEN GREATER PUNCHING POWER than Evgeny Romanov (based on eye test evidence). Yet, Joshua didn't even display greater punching power than Evgeny Romanov against the same common opponent in Denis Bakhtov.

So I really don't understand how according to some people, Joshua indisputably and conclusively has proven to be a much more powerful puncher, to the point where somehow even comparing Joshua's and Gassiev's power is supposed to be wrong and is supposed to be blasphemous. When evidence doesn't even suggest Joshua hits that hard.