If Canelo won the GGG rematch, than Pacquiao won against Mayweather

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  1. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    GGG 2 canelo 0. The judges and record keepers will confirm this to be wrong but we know what we saw, golovkin knows he won and canelo knows he lost.

    When canelo thinks about the money and the belts and the wins on his record he will smile but when he thinks about the fights, man v man having a fight, he knows he lost and he knows he lost while cheating with drugs and he knows golovkin knows and he knows we know.

    Small consolation but that's all you can get in such a corrupt sport . But when ever they are face to face again it will be canelo once again unable to look golovkin in the eye.
     
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  2. Flamazide

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    Sad **** is that never gets appreciated. I keep telling people that the "robbery" in the fight is that everyone just ignores how well both men actually boxed. From a pure boxing perspective both fights are beautiful and it is amazing to me that Golovkin at 36 years old changed his style entirely against an elite prime fighter like that and had success with it. That isn't common at all. Lol and we still have people saying Golovkin is one dimensional and can't adapt. Ridiculous.
     
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  3. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One fight has NOTHING to do with another fight....:rolleyes::duh
     
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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    GGG was forced to change his style in the rematch because he couldn't do what he wanted to do which was engage in a toe-to-toe war. He couldn't take that relentless pressure from Canelo and retreated and gave up ground to Canelo. In the first fight Canelo chose to fight off the backfoot, he did it from the beginning, keeping G at range. There's a big difference between the two fights. Canelo voluntarily chose to fight off the backfoot which frustrated GGG. In the rematch GGG didn't choose to fight off the backfoot, Canelo forced him to do that with relentless pressure. Anotherwords, Canelo imposed his will on GGG more.
     
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  5. BCS8

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    Exactly this, I agree.

    Canelo got outboxed and forced back in the first fight and everybody was going oooh aaah look at how well he fights off the back foot. GGG did exactly that in the second fight (except for that he didn't get trapped on the ropes like Clenelo) and caught Pedvarez with some hellacious shots. Then suddenly the same people that were creaming themselves about Canelo fighting off the backfoot ignore Golovkin's work entirely.

    Double standards.

    Golovkin handsomely outlanded Drugnelo in both fights at an age when most fighters are retired. There's no doubt as to who won, and it wasn't the ginger freak.
     
  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's cute, you typed out a little scoreboard that says GGG won. I can tell that you're really broken up about the result. Dealing with loss is never easy, especially when you're so invested in a fighter like GGG that you can't fathom him losing even when it happened. I really feel sorry for you and the rest of GGG fans. Losing to Canelo must have really shattered your world. If you need to just let the tears flow I understand.

    I think I can help though : Canelo just flat out beat GGG. Straight up, no cheating, no corruption, no robbery. He just straight up beat GGG, and he did it "Mexican Style" which meant so much more becuase GGG was asking for that.

    What made it so impressive and so satisfying was how Canelo did it. He did it how GGG wanted it, he beat GGG at his own game and it was glorious. Canelo silenced his haters and he did it while coming forward and made GGG become the scared-y cat who had to back away. I've never seen a group of fans cry more about a decision that this one. GGG fans will be crying about this result forever.

    "Give me my belt !" :llorona:

    "Where are my belts ?" :qmeparto:
     
  7. Flamazide

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    What is wrong with you?
     
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  8. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Im actually quite at ease with it if you need to know. Like i said, officially i know Canelo drew and then won and won all those belts, but unofficially i know Yes to all the cheating and corruption and drugs and Yes to the robberies. Just saying it how i see it, well im saying how most people saw it actually.
     
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  9. mirkofilipovic

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    Hes married
     
  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You got it backwards my man. "Everybody" wasn't going oooh aaah after the fight first. As you know most people didn't value it when Canelo did that in the first fight. In fact many scored close rounds to GGG because of the fact that Canelo was fighting backwards. And many GGG fans used it to argue GGG won the first fight.

    But then in the rematch when the shoe was on the other foot, all of a sudden GGG fans no longer stressed the importance of coming forward !! All of a sudden now it was "look how well GGG fought off the backfoot". The irony of that. And no, in the rematch, GGG did not do "exactly that". GGG did not fight off the backfoot in the rematch as well as Canelo did in the first fight. If you think he did you have little appreciation for the sweet science and the what goes into setting traps. GGG wasn't moving around the ring in the rematch with the kind of ease and fluidity Canelo was in the first fight. You're really trying to dumb down what happened trying to make this silly argument.

    Canelo never once was "trapped" on the ropes in the first fight. In rounds 4 and 5 he went there voluntarily and fought off the ropes. Saying Canelo was trapped on the ropes in the first fight would be like saying Ali was trapped on the ropes vs Foreman. It's called "rope a dope" and Canelo did that to great effect in the first fight.

    You don't get a medal for not going to the ropes. GGG not retreating as far back as the ropes in the rematch doesn't make how he fought off the backfoot better than how Canelo fought off the backfoot. Canelo landed many more hellacious shots in the first fight than GGG did in the second fight. Canelo fought off the backfoot to much greater effect in the first fight than GGG did in the rematch. Canelo frustrated GGG in the first fight. So much so that it caused GGG to complain about how Canelo didn't come forward enough, didn't fight Mexican style. Remeber GGG wanted Canelo to just stand in front of him after the first fight. Well in the rematch there was never a point where Canelo became frustrated at what GGG was doing. What GGG was doing in the rematch didn't cause Canelo to miss to the extent that GGG missed in the first fight. Canelo flat out outboxed GGG in the first fight, GGG was gifted a draw because two judges preferred aggression. In the rematch it came back to bite GGG because Canelo became the aggressor and GGG isn't half the boxer Canelo is when it comes to fighting off the backfoot.
     
  11. shadow111

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    Wrong. Most people didn't see the rematch as a robbery. Many fighters media and fans made it clear that the rematch wasn't a robbery. You're entitled to your opinion but Canelo won the rematch and the first fight while officially a draw Canelo landed the better punches the more body shots and visibly frustrated GGG. That's what happened.
     
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    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You and Dirsspaardis are trying to act like GGG fought off the backfoot better in the rematch than Canelo did in the first fight. That's complete BS. After the first fight, where was the "appreciation" for fighting off the backfoot from you and other GGG Fans? It was non-existent.

    You're only talking about it now and "appreciating" it now because GGG fought that way in the rematch and you want to now bring attention to that to argue that he won. Canelo clearly fought off the backfoot to much greater effect in the first fight than GGG did in the rematch. GGG did fight admirably in the rematch, he did show his boxing skills and I can't take that away from him. But it wasn't better than what Canelo did to him in the first fight.

    It takes much less skill to just back away and throw a jab then it does to back away and get your opponent to walk into perfectly timed massive uppercuts and hooks like Canelo landed in the first fight. Canelo frustrated GGG to great effect in the first fight. GGG didn't frustrate Canelo at all in the rematch. Here's why : In the rematch GGG's movement didn't stop Canelo from landing clean shots on GGG with regularity. In the first fight Canelo's movement greatly affected GGG's ability to land clean punches on Canelo.

    And it's because not only fighting off the backfoot, but the ability to slip punches which Canelo does much better than GGG, since he uses upper body movement and knows how to parry shots and come back with well timed counters. GGG does not have that high level skill and it showed.
     
  14. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Shadow111 on golden boy payroll. Look at his posting history. He only posts about Canelo and 24/7. Don't pay attention to this account. He's doing it from some third world country for a dollar a day.
     
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  15. BCS8

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    To Dino?
     
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