GGG needs to step up

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Dance84, Nov 26, 2018.


  1. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    The reason he wasn't criticised for Vanes was because he was waiting for Canelo, remember the ban for failing drugs tests?

    What was Golovkin suppose to? it was just a "keep busy" fight, nothing more and nothing less.

    Wanting to fight somebody and actually fighting somebody are two completely different things, Golovkin would have got slaughtered for fighting Murra or Brant.

    So Canelo has "had two hard fights" and has earned a "gimme fight" and should get a pass but this thread and the whole point of this is.. Golovkin should step it up after being involved in those two very hard fights?

    You can't see the double standards? Golovkin isn the the type of fighter to climb through the weights, some just don't. Mayweather did, Canelo has and so have many other but many don't.

    So just because some do doesn't mean other have to or should.

    And Once again, It's Canelos CHOICE to move to 168, he isn't being forced to do so, he has chosen Fielding, poor fight, poor choice of opponent and to start digging out Golovkin to "step it up" after being involved in those "two hard fights" and giving Canelo a pass is a complete joke.
     
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  2. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tbf to Golovkin when the big fights have been on offer in his own weight he has took them.

    Martinez, Cotto, Sturm, Quillen, NDam, Chavez, Saunders all turned down the fight at some point.

    Pirog was signed and then Pirog unfortunately had to retire, Canelo could. Have been two years earlier but they wanted to wait it out.

    Middleweight has been pretty poor as well so understandably he doesn't have a great resume. It's stacked now and he's had the big fights, did go as planned and was jobbed but it is what it is now, let's see what he does going forward.
     
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  3. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    what they all turned him down but one guy didnt?

    or he didnt chase a bigger fight until late in his career and then got one straight away.
     
  4. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What big fights were there to chase?
     
  5. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    Haha; Oh, so that was your plan all along eh, after copping all that hypocrisy flak? Sure it was, but nice face saving try.
     
  6. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You talk some bollocks...
     
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  7. Jacob Hall

    Jacob Hall Member Full Member

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    let me guess ''canelo came forward and didnt run''
     
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  8. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    I know; I also thought the.... 'Boxing guru who's great, sagely wisdom we await'...routine was peculiar too.
     
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  9. mirkofilipovic

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    How is it any different now?Charlo hasnt faced any decent middle, Murata, one of the supposed bright stars lost to Brant. Andrade? Chenko lost to Jacobs.
     
  10. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    no i asked u.
    Personally I was happy with 3G only stepping up to Geale in 2014, so its for me to explain what he should have chased when I know he wasnt chasing until 2 years before clenelo.

    in my eyes his biggest wins are yet to come, I am of the belief that 3G will beat not just one elite, but multiple ones over at least 2 divisions soon. I'm not doubting him, you are the one offering excuses.
     
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  11. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well I do think it's easier to make the fights now that Golovkin is a draw and he wasn't then. If he really wants it he could easily make a deal to fight Saunders, Andrade, Jacobs again, Brant. Not sure who Derevyanchenko is with tbf, Charlo might be harder due to Haymon staying in house mostly and Canelo, well, we'll see but he's in a very different position to 2014 when Cotto and co saw him as big risk, little reward. He's now at least big risk, big reward.
     
  12. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes if your going to state he wasn't chasing anyone then it's up to You to state who he wasn't chasing otherwise this discussion goes round in circles without going anywhere.

    I'm not offering excuses, I'm putting down facts of the division. If you want to dispute that then your going to have to give me some names of the fights that could have been made.
     
  13. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    Noone ever needs to prove an absence of evidence, be real.
     
  14. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So basically you can't.
     
  15. dinovelvet

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    He was supposed to fight just one of the many other better options that were available to him after the Canelo fight got cancelled. One of those options was his IBF mandatory.
    He opted to fob that fight off in favor of a retired 154 pounder instead which ultimately cost him his belt. So you are correct - he wasn't critizied for avoiding his mandatory and dropping a belt in order to make one of the worst cherry picks in history.
    At the end of the day he still fought , just not against anybody with a pulse so no excuses can be made for that shameful cherry pick.

    The Murata fight was pretty much a done deal before he was upset by Brant and nobody had any issue with it.
    Golovkin fans thought it was great he was going to Japan to fight Murata so thats nonsense. Plenty on here said that was a better fight than Charlo and its likely he'll fight Brant next which will be called a good fight despite it being no better than Rocky Fielding.
    So Golovkin gets no stick at all for fighting Vanes and as you admitted yourself and Murata is a good fight , but Canelo moving up to 168 to fight a solid Euro level guy with the same belt as Murata is a load of rubbish??
    Thats a double standard.

    Golovkin didn't step up against Canelo , Canelo stepped up against him. Canelo never had to fight him twice , he didn't even have to fight him once. It was Golovkin who chased that fight until he got it and he was given 24 rounds to go out and blow Canelo away but he couldn't do it.
    The risk and greater challenge in both those fights was taken by Canelo and he fought hard to win the rematch so of course he earned the right to take a voluntary fight.
    Golovkin was presented with the Ward fight - he declined. He's being presented with a big money legacy fight against Smith and he doesn't seem too inclined for that either.
    He expects guys to move up and fight him , but he won't move up and fight anybody himself. Canelo already has Twice , so when/why isn't Golovkin going to do the same?

    He could if he wanted , but he simply doesn't want to. He just doesn't want to step up and take challenges for huge money that are available to him.

    A complete joke is giving GGG a pass for avoiding his mandatory / dropping a belt so he could cherry pick a retired 154 lber , but trashing Canelo for fighting prime Rocky Fielding at 168.
    Had GGG beaten Canelo he was going into a fight with Murata which was an equal if not worse fight than Rocky Fielding. The posting history here proves nobody had a problem with that fight , so it goes without saying that he would have been given credit had he moved up in weight to fight for the same belt.
    These are the real double standards.