Logic defying fight results

Every strength/advantage can be a weakness if used against them.

If fighter a is stronger, can b use speed and timing to off set that? Either by countering or allowing A to expend energy with missed heavy shots?

If fighter A is quicker can fighter b use timing feints and set ups getting A to overcommit in a way using A’s speed against him.

If A has greater reach can B take a fight inside where reach is (outside of Arguello, then all bets are off) rendered a disadvantage rather than an advantage.

To me every perceived advantage can be nullified if B is skilled smart and crafty enough to not get exploited by them.

 

If you're good enough, you're big enough. Physical size does not trump skill.

 

Because people don't understand boxing genetics

You can be bigger, but the smaller man could be born, ingrained, gifted with punch power and/or a chin, speed, etc.

Ring Generalship factors in there somewhere.

Another is advantages to shorter reach, shortness, etc. Shorter arms will trump longer arms at infighting. Some fighters, like Floyd Patterson and Marciano, are very good at exploding to get inside, usually using the momentum for a giant punch (gazelle punch). Shortness greatly aids the bob & weave, used by people who regularly fought taller guys like Frazier, Marciano, Dempsey, Tyson, Armstrong, etc.

Styles also account for something, though I believe the style argument is used too much. But also about styles is style mastery. How good are you at what you've chosen? Of course Walcott was a master of his Walcott shuffle, Ali could dance all night with his style, knowing how to use your biomechanics to your advantage, while some other boxers are inconsistent.

And of course, finally, the diminishing returns theory. That being that, once you hit a certain weight, more pounss gives less weight, until it means literally nothing and you're only sacrificing speed and power. I personally believe the diminshing returns start at 160, halt at 180, and if you weigh over 235 (as a natural), you're just sacrificing at that point.

All in all the formula should look like this:

Power x Speed x Chin x Endurance + Heart + Ring Generalship + Ring IQ + Mastery Over Style + Weight (assuming below 180)

 

David Jaco and Razor Ruddock. Wrap your head around that one.

 

Hmmmm....I am a bit of a math nerd (TBF I am a nerd in general), but I can’t compute this? There is an old math truth “no matter how often the variables change the axioms remain the same”. I am not sure these are axioms or how to quantify them? This one does not add up for math nerds

 

I have no clue what you just said, I almost flunked out of pre cal. Layman's terms?

 

Well first of all, those advantages you listed are more than double - probably almost three times -the actual striking distance advantage.

 

Lol...this does not add up for me. I see no quantifiable formula by which those components could be measured much less calculate anything to a identifiable conclusion.

Edit I mean boxing and mathematics are not compatible although some elements of math can be used in formulating an opinion or training etc. we can’t break it down to a simple or even complex formula anymore than one could do in a chess game (and many have tried)

 

Oh I kinda get it. I was just saying IF THERE WAS a formula it'd look something like that, but I agree that a formula can't really be made, nor the things on it very measurable

 

Congrats on your 1000th post, FTR I wasn't digging you out.

 

Well, there are only two ways for an axiom to be an axiom: It can be arbitrarily stipulated and accepted in arguendo, or it can be so (seemingly) self-evident that its negation is not only mistaken but (seemingly) incoherent. The assumptions at play here are certainly not the latter.

 

Nah it's fine, I shouldnt have reacted the way I did, either way

Honestly I should be more mature at my age lol

 

I got roped into one last week...I wonder if I will ever learn....oh well

 

Don't rely on maturity just because you are old I was 70 on the 21st of this month,[ had 4 lovely days in Vienna ,] look at me I still lose my temper!