In the history of boxing, did any challenger get dropped 2X and win a belt?

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  1. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    For tbe record, i actually had fury winning by 1 round. But im curious since so many people are screaming robbery, it had me wondering if a draw is that unreasonable with historical context.

    So I have to ask: has a challenger ever won a belt from a champion after being dropped in 2 seperate rounds?
     
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  2. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    There must be many occasions of that happening over the years and across the weights but i cant think of a single one right now.
     
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  3. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Fury was winning every round clearly, and even in those rounds he was dropped he was ahead before and after the KD.

    Fury got robbed, end of story, another tale of the corruption South of Canada and North of Mejico.

    You dont win a fight just with two knockdowns despite being outboxed for 12 rounds.
     
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  4. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I’m tired of Wilder being labeled the “champion” in this match. Fury had to go up against an All Time Great in Wlad on the road to win the belts and then never lost them in the ring.
    Wilder having fought nobody of merit was assigned to fight Bermane Stiverne for ffs to become “champion”
    In my mind the bigger stature belonged to Fury.
     
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  5. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Patterson regularly got bounced of the canvas to win eventually.
     
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  6. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Two fighters that spring to mind who have been dropped multiple times are JMM & Sergio Martinez.

    Martinez was dropped x2 by both JCC Jr & Murray I think..

    JMM got dropped x3 by PAC & it ended in a draw.. JMM won IMO (I think Freddie Norwood was dropped twice by JMM too in fact & beat him..)

    Sweetpea I remember was dropped twice by Hurtado.. I recall HW Sam Peter being dropped 3 times by Jameel Mcline too!

    Not all challengers I know but just examples off the top of my head...

    HWs like Patterson, Dempsey & Louis were always getting dropped in fights... Check out Dempsey v Firpo...
     
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  7. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wlad beat Peter despite being dropped 3 times.

    Peter beat McCline despite being dropped 3 times as well.

    Yes, I know that neither Peter nor McCline were champions at the time when those fights happened. But the whole idea of different principles of scoring for champion is ridiculous in my opinion.
     
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  8. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Peter dropped Wlad 3 times and Wlad still won. Very similar match a good boxer vs a crude puncher.
     
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  9. Dirsspaardis

    Dirsspaardis Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oh dear, oh dear.
     
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  10. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm struggling to find an example of it. I'm sure it has happened
     
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  11. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Sam Peter was more talented than Wilder.
     
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  12. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I can't think of one. Only thing I can think of his when Hopkins fought Mercado he was dropped twice and like Fury was given a controversial draw despite most thinking he won the fight.
     
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  13. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Peter was also dropped several times and finally stopped by Klitschko. A better question would be if any challenger was ever dropped twice by a "champ", never dropped the "champ" and yet still won the decision.
     
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  14. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Agreed. One of my pet hates is when people say a challenger has to win clearly on points to take the belt off the champion, like there's a points handicap for having ownership of the belt. No, he has to win the fight using the same scoring system applied to all fighters... get at least one more point with at least two of the judges....
     
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  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    JMM was dropped x 3 by Pacquiao in their first encounter which was judged a draw and most felt he he deserved to get the W

    Even Portly Dan scored it for JMM


    Pacquiao-Marquez: ESPN.com's experts score the first three fights

    ESPN.com experts' scoring:

    Rafael: If there is anyone to thank for the great rivalry that Pacquiao and Marquez have produced it's referee Joe Cortez. I was ringside for the fight (as I have been for all of them) and I have to be honest: When Marquez was dropped pretty hard near the end of the first round, the third time he had gone down in the opening frame, I thought the fight was over. But Cortez, a Hall of Famer, recognized that Marquez was not that badly hurt. There is no three-knockdown rule in world title fights and he rightly allowed the fight continue. I scored it 10-6 for Pacquiao and then also gave him Round 2. But Marquez collected himself by the third and you know what? In my view, he won every round over the rest of the fight with the lone exception being the 10th. Despite three knockdowns, Marquez climbed out of the hole and won the fight, but settled for a draw.

    Mulvaney: This rivalry nearly lasted under a round. Another referee might have stopped the fight after Pacquiao knocked down Marquez the third time in that frenetic opening frame of their first contest; another fighter might not have haled himself to his feet. To be honest, sitting ringside, I wasn't sure Marquez would. But he did, and after a difficult second round, outboxed Pacquiao down the stretch. I gave him eight of the 10 remaining rounds; watching the fight later, it is jarring to see how one-dimensional Pacquiao was at the time.

    Campbell: No matter how many times I've seen the fight, it always feels like a Marquez victory at the final bell. But, alas, scorecards don't have feelings. Marquez clearly won more rounds -- heroically taking Pacquiao's best punch early on before figuring out how to take away the same punch defensively in the middle rounds. But despite being outclassed in the rounds he lost, Pacquiao landed the harder shots in the rounds that were close and was busy enough to steal a one-point victory on my card. However you scored it, Marquez clearly won the event in a star-making performance of toughness and tactical brilliance, nearly climbing out of a daunting 10-6 hole.
     
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