Would a prime Mike Tyson lose to any of the current top heavyweights?

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  1. Entaowed

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    Reference please. Stallone is listed at 5' 10". though he cou;ld be a bit shorter.
    I recall reading at the ti,e that he got as low as 167 for Rocky 3.
    I do not think he got amny lighter than this, he would not have the same muscle mass if he did.
     
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  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I stand corrected:
    Sylvester Stallone Body Weight
    Sylvester Stallone’s Body Weight changed from movie to movie, based on the needs of the script and how Stallone wanted to look. He would change his training and diet to arrive at his ideal body weight. In each Rocky film, Sylvester Stallone weighed:

    • Rocky I: 178 pounds
    • Rocky II: 200 pounds
    • Rocky III: 163 pounds
    • Rocky IV: 173 pounds
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Sorry he was 5'10 and 163lbs in Rocky 3. https://www.popworkouts.com/sylvester-stallone-workout-rocky-rambo/3/
     
  4. Reinhardt

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    Totally agree with the analysis of todays heavyweights,,,,Tyson at his best, wipes these those three out, Wilder goes in 1, after swinging for the fences and missing. Joshua will be chopped down along with Fury
     
  5. Unforgiven

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    Well, you're using subsequent results to come to that conclusion.
    Ortiz is only 9 months removed from the Wilder loss.
    You're whole argument then rests on what Ortiz does in the future, or what men who might have lost or might lose to Ortiz will do in the future.

    Let's discuss Wilder, Ortiz, Fury and Joshua ten or fifteen years from now then.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    I'm not sure how Stallone's body weight ended up as a topic for this thread, LOL !

    ..... and he used steroids, man.
    Certainly by the time of Rocky III and Rocky IV.
     
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  7. Wass1985

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    Stallone and Arnie could possibly be the longest abusers of steroids the world has ever seen. Just goes to show if you know what you're doing and have the right instruction steroids can be relatively safe.
     
  8. rski

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    I think fury would be Mike’s biggest problem, he has the skills and size to tie him up. It’s possible mike could out point him on activity but the size difference is massive. He has the chin to survive wilder and it’s very likely he would land something, I think he gets the ko. I think AJ is tailor made for Tyson, a bit slower enabling mike to get inside and rip him up, the speed would be Joshua’s issue.
     
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  9. Man_Machine

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    My "whole argument"? I don't think so. My argument rests on the obvious, i.e. the considerable gap between the condition and abilities of both Douglas and Ortiz, at the times of the respective bouts. The fact Douglas went on to demonstrate his abilities at the highest level is just the icing, in this case.

    - Who, out of Douglas and Ortiz, was in their prime, at the time of the fights in question?
    - Which of them demonstrated the greater workrate, skill, speed and agility?
    - Who had Ortiz beaten on a level equivalent to Page, before he met Wilder?
    - Which of the two had failed a drug test?

    As I asked @Bokaj - how does one quantify the improvements made by Douglas between his decision loss to Ferguson and the later bout with Tucker - and, from then on, between his loss to Tucker and his win over Tyson?

    You seem to be implying that Ortiz is at the same level as Wilder, Fury and Joshua, when there is nothing to suggest that he was, is or ever well be. Is Ortiz likely to improve, as he approaches 40 years old?

    As I pointed out to you, at the outset, there's no comparison between Douglas and Ortiz and you've not been able to produce any reasonable explanation, as to why you think there is one. Achievements aside, how Douglas was regarded in his time has nothing to do with the blatant chasm in age, conditioning, speed and skills between the two. This is clear to be seen just by watching them both in action.
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    Luis Ortiz was ranked around top 5 when he met Wilder. He was rated there by just about everyone.
    Buster Douglas was rated in the bottom half of the top 10 when he faced Tucker.
    There's a comparison.

    Ortiz is a very well-drilled skilled southpaw boxing. He's a good boxer.This is clear just by watching him.
     
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  11. Man_Machine

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    I trust you don't seriously find anything meaningful in this^.



    I haven't said Ortiz isn't any of the things you mention. But, you seem content in ignoring that he was 39, which by anyone's reckoning, is old; he wasn't particularly agile; he didn't have a particularly high workrate and he hadn't fought anyone of note, prior to Wilder.

    Incidentally, this was considered, at the time, by far Wilder's biggest test. To me, at this stage of his career, Ortiz is the type of test that prospects-turning-contender take on.
     
  12. Wass1985

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  13. Wass1985

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    I'll say this about Douglas, he suffered his first loss by someone making his pro debut.

    Got a draw against a Norwegian, who was European champion.

    Lost to Fury sized giant in Mike White.

    Lost to Jesse Ferguson, a fighter who lost 18 fights in his career.

    Douglas was hardly a better challenger than Ortiz if you're being honest.
     
  14. Man_Machine

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    And yet, pulled off one of the best wins in Heavyweight history...


    ...if we're being honest!
     
  15. Wass1985

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    Well that tells you Mike Tyson was very beatable, if we are being honest........