Prime Rocky Marciano vs Prime Earnie Shavers

Louis was a very poor version of himself, but the point is because Rocky respected his power he fought much more conservative than usual.

Some agree with you on that. I don't. If Ward makes a comeback and fights Usyk I'm sure he'll weigh more than 175, I wouldn't make a pick based on a 25 pound weight gap.

Of course he doesn't, no one ever steamrolled those two. I just think it's always an issue for me picking a man who never was champ in his career over a man who was. Ortiz and Briggs, would you pick Rocky to steamroll those two?

I would pick Rocky but I'd bet on Shavers by KO because the odds would be too good to pass up.

Shkor was beyond ****. But atleast we know Rocky can beat a beyond **** SHW. It's a starting point is it not?

 

Added mass usually means added resistance to force.Yes?
ps I never dodge anyone, I don't have to stall by saying lets agree to disagree when I run out of excuses as you did on another post. Want to dig me out ? You'll be sorry!

 

Why does anyone add weight when they move up a weight class?

 

Louis was ****ed, his power was really a thing of the past ,he busted up Rocky with his jab.You don't have to agree with me its just my take, no more valid than yours . Though I do find it endemic in Rocky fans when confronted with a 30+lbs differential in weight they like as not say," well Rocky would be 220 today" well if he was, he would be fat and have lost half his stamina and be slower. Ward coming back isn't remotely like adding surplus weight to a chunky little guy like Rocky.Marciano won a good half of his fights because he was in much better condition than his opponents and could throw power punches for 15 rds, he ran them out of gas and ambition, and the fact that the best of them were old men by boxing standards didn't hurt any either.


I match the reality not hypothetical chimeras.

 

Why would it have to be around his waist?
You haven't won much tonight, I'd call it quits if I were you.

 

I don't even know if you're disagreeing with me at all tbh. Unless you are saying Rocky was not as cautious in that fight.

I didn't say Rocky would be 220 today plus I'm not a fan of his. I much prefer Frank Bruno. I think Rocky would be a LHW or a CW today. Not a HW. If he did bulk up to HW he might lose half his stamina, or he might not, it's a leap of faith as I said. Some people carry weight well, some don't. With Rocky we'll never know will we.

I mentioned Ward because there's a likelihood he'll pursue the Usyk fight. As common sense dictates he wouldn't willingly give up 25 pounds, I think the number of fighters who go up a weight class without adding weight is very very small.

We all match hypotheticals. These fights never really occured. The whole task is a hypothetical. But as I said. If we're gonna make a fight and say "you must be 190 or lower" than I'm not in the least bit surprised if Shavers takes him out. Same with Ortiz and Briggs.

 

The choice is matching the reality or matching some hypothetical version and that is of no interest to me.
Usyk will beat the **** out of Ward should Ward be stupid enough to come back.I don't see it happening, Usyk will fight heavies from now on.

 

As I said, I understand why some refuse to contemplate an increased weight for Rocky, but by the same aspect I refuse to matchup up guys from different weight classes without alkoeial one to increase weight.

Like Hagler - Spinks.

Wouldn't surprise me if Usyk beats the **** out of anyone he fights throughout the rest of his prime.

 

That's your prerogative, we can't all have the same opinion or else there would be no debates! I wasn't really disagreeing with you just musing out loud.If Usyk planted his feet more I wonder if he would get more on his shots? Of course he would get hit more too.

 

Totally agree with you there. We all have our own motivations and viewpoints for posting on here.

I think he's the kind of fighter who can adapt to any situation tbh. He looks incredible. That being said footwork is his biggest strength imo. Everything he does is based on his footwork so I don't see him every truly planting to offload big shots.

Usyk Vs Marciano would be an interesting debate and I believe it's one that would leave a lot of Marciano fans asking themselves difficult questions about how honest their viewpoint is.

 

Alright the jokes are whatever but lets be serious here for a second

If Quarry can bomb Shavers out in 1 round, then Marciano can as well. Marciano's chin is slowly becoming more and more underrated on this forum, yeesh

 

Quarry is a completely different style of fighter to Rocky.

That's like saying if Ali can bomb Liston out in 1 then Rocky can.

 

So you think whenever a fighter adds weight, it is completely unrelated to their ability to take a punch?

 

For one, who said we aren't allowed to train the neck muscles? Fighters do neck training.

For another look at the curious case of Guillermo Jones, do you really think David Noel would have been able to knock him out if he weighed over 200 pounds as he did later in his career?

 

To be fair Ron Stander generally walked straight in and wasn't known for his defensive prowess (or his prowess at anything boxing related aside from toughness and guts) and he weathered Shavers early onslaught, broke his will and KO'd Earnie.

I reckon Marciano who trumps Stander in every facet (in fact he was better than Quarry in most areas as well who also destroyed Earnie) absorbs and nullifies the early rounds punishment Shavers dishes out before wearing him down and knocking out the badly fatigued Shavers.

Of course your scenario is feasible as well but I think any scenario with Marciano winning is far more likely.