Why couldn't Wilder finish Fury..

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  1. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Height and size helps you another when you're hurt. Small short guys have nowhere to go when they're hurt. Tall guys can run, use their reach or smother.
    The Tyson, Frazier type just have to absorb the punsihment and try to fight the other guy off
     
  2. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Also fury has a great heart. He took a tremendous hook even after getting up in the 12th
     
  3. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Usually when Wilder connects that cleanly they are either out or so badly hurt they can't defend themselves from the following barrage even if half of that barrage misses, the momentum of those wide shots hitting gloves is usually enough to bowl them over onto the canvas.

    But at this level relying on a big punch isn't enough. Wilder's finishing skills are horrible, he windmills away but the thing is his shots are so wide and wild it was easy for Fury to just tuck up and pick shots down the middle to stop Wilder's follow up attack in it's tracks. He did it both times he was down and both times Wilder was forced to step back and so couldn't go for the finish.

    Everyone has for a long time been saying Wilder was vulnerable to being countered when he windmills and against Fury we finally saw that happen. Wilder got away with it vs inferior opposition but at the very top level these mistakes will get punished. Luckily for Wilder, Fury isn't a puncher, if he was Wilder would of found himself on the canvas.

    Wether Wilder fights Fury, Joshua or even Breazeale next he will need to be very careful when going for the KO, if he gets wild he could get caught coming in again, stifling his attack or worse seeing him KO'ed.
     
  4. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with everything except Breazeale being a threat to Wilder. Joshua for sure, since I can see Joshua's check hook neutralizing Wilder's right hand, but Breazeale is a fat slob with very mediocre boxing skills and he's extremely slow, so he's tailor-made for Wilder.
     
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  5. Dfaulds

    Dfaulds Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Stupid post. AJ can definitely floor and hurt Fury and when he does he is much more likely to end it than Wilder.
     
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  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think Breazeale is dangerous just because he's proven to be durable and dangerous when hurt. Ugonoh and Mansour hit him awfully hard and eventually paid the price for being overly aggressive. When Joshua fought him he dropped him early but couldn't finish him and so Joshua stepped back realising Breazeale wasn't another easy KO and dangerous.

    I'd obviously favour Wilder to KO him and even Wilder's rudimentary boxing skills are better than Breazeale's but I think Wilder could get caught trying to take a durable Breazeale out. It's unlikely but it's possible. Breazeale is crude but he's not a fighter you just want to slug it out with, he's proven twice that's not a smart thing to do vs him. Wilder can't over look him.
     
  7. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Stupid post. I said I don't *think* he will floor or hurt Fury *the way Wilder did*. What I mean by that is that I don't think AJ has the one shot power has and I don't think he'll land an awful lot more success than Wilder did.
     
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  8. Bensub

    Bensub Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I feel for Wilder, imagine being the biggest puncher in the division, hit Fury with your best two shots and he gets up.......
     
  9. PunchersChance.

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    Joshua will connect much more easily on Fury because he sets his power punches up properly, Wilder has no variation and telegraphs the right hand ad infinitum, Fury could see it coming from the back row. The difference in power is negligible, but the gulf in skill to make that power count is vast. Cunningham and Pavjic were able to floor Fury and they can’t bang anywhere close to as hard as Joshua.
     
  10. Serge

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    Fury obviously took Donkey very lightly, so lightly that he was willing to jump in there with him after not fighting anyone with a pulse in 3 years, had been totally inactive for 2.5, abusing the hell out of his body with industrial quantities of alcohol, drugs and junk food all throughout his inactivity, battling depression/mental illness, suicidal thoughts, almost committing suicide, and only having 2 exhibition fights in 3 years both of which against zero threat scrubs. He went from a slug slow shot to smithereens Pianeta who was D level even in his prime to Donkey who was the consensus #2 HW in the world. Let that sink in.

    The only moments of real success Donkey had in the fight were the KDs and the only reason he was able to have them is because Fury was finding it so easy in there he got complacent and caught with a couple of silly shots. Granted the first KD was a rabbit punch which to be fair to Donkey is something he does do very well. However, the second one was purely down to complacency and could easily have been avoided if Fury had just kept his eye on the ball.

    That was a 50% Fury in at best in there the other night who wasn't close to being back to full sharpness or strength. And I mean both physically and mentally. Hopefully we might see him improve by another 10% for his next fight and Donkey's only hope of beating a 60% Fury would be a lucky punch or via highway robbery again, assuming Donkey was able to navigate his way to the final bell that is which I think is doubtful given the ease at which a 50% Fury was able to land on him and push him back when he actually let power shots go. Donkey actually looked totally clueless when Fury started doing that.
     
  11. Dfaulds

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    Wilder has showed numerous times he doesn't have 1 shot power...

    AJ is much more accurate and has better hand speed. He'll land much more than 70 punches thats for sure.
     
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  12. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    I'm not sure he will, to be honest. Although he lost, Parker had enough success on the outside for me to think that AJ isn't somehow going to land blistering combinations on Fury. He'll hit more air than he's used to and that'll cause him to gas worse than he has done previously.
    Yes, they did but I don't think it can be argued that Fury has improved technically since those fights and he wasn't particularly hurt, IMO.
     
  13. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    He's shown numerous times that he does, too.

    More accurate, no doubt about that. I'm not so sure about the handspeed though. I certainly think Wilder's jab (which has improved significantly) is quicker than AJ's. I think the fact he puts his combinations more fluidly than Wilder gives the appearance of quicker hands.
     
  14. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I disagree. I had Wilder winning 115-111.
     
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  15. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder darn near finished Fury after the second knockdown. He landed a looping right but it was grazing shot that just missed the mark. The problem is Wilder went full on windmilling when he should have patiently looked for another straight right. He got impatient and punched himself out with four or five big home run swings. The only reason he didn't finish Fury is lack of patience. He had plenty of time, had Fury badly hurt and let him off the hook. Credit Fury for surviving the onslaught that followed the knockdown. He showed his superior ring smarts.

    If Wilder studies the film of this fight he'll see where his looping shots throughout the fight are basically a waste of energy against an elusive target like Fury.