Adjustments for both fighters in Fury Wilder II?

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  1. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    What adjustments should each fighter make in the next fight? Who will have an easier time making the adjustments?

    Fury:

    One huge thing for Fury I see, the rest much lower level and to some extent I'm of mixed mind.

    #1 by far. Both times he was knocked down were when he was dipping. It's probably too central to his style against Wilder to eliminate entirely, but he needs to tone down on it considerably, and make his execution less predictable when he does it. Preferably, he needs to just lean/retreat back in most of these moments, and smother more when he is close to or against the ropes. When he did that, Wilder was never able to catch him. When he smothered Wilder, he bullied the hell out of him. I'm not rooting for a considerably more negative fight, with a lot more clinching, but a small but strategic increase in its use would help Fury a lot, imo.

    #2. Aggression. He was hurting Wilder at times in the latter half of the fight. I don't think he should make a dramatic change in his overall approach, but I think he can afford to be a little more aggressive at each stage. He can wear Wilder down more and get a late stoppage if he could just increase the output a bit.

    #3. Weight. I'm conflicted here. I don't think he should get down much lower, his girth helps him absorb punishment and bully Wilder, both of which were critical, but he if he could just get in a little better conditioning it could help. Maybe 252 an ideal weight? Just a bit lower, but better conditioned.

    Wilder:

    Like with Fury, one extremely important adjustment for Wilder and the rest more debatable.

    #1 by far. Try timing Fury's dips etc better. If Fury keeps doing the same thing, Wilder can practice for it better and be better prepared for what he already had success with. That said, while there was an element of predictability to his dips, fatigue from Fury played a role in Wilder catching him. His motions are so herky jerky it is easier to SAY you can prepare for it and time it than actually achieve it. Still, if Fury remains predicable here (or as predictable as Fury can get), this is a huge opportunity for Wilder to prepare better and get the ko next time.

    #2. Gain a little bulk. He was pushed around and appeared fatigued at numerous points in the latter half of the fight. I'm of mixed mind on this, because his best chance is retaining the speed he needs to catch Fury, but the 210's just appear to light for his frame and I don't think he's operating at his optimal level. He should be at least 220 for the next fight.

    #3. Try to tag Fury's body a bit more in the early rounds. I'm sure some people will think he should try to throw more punches and win more rounds against Fury next time. Maybe, but I think that might just mean he puts himself at a disadvantage more often, gets beat up quicker, and risks his own KO more. Fury will always outbox him. I think his best chance is to make the fight go long again, allow Fury to get fatigued and a bit sloppy again, and surprise him again and ko or at least kd him more often. I think if he targets the body early, he can sap some strength from Fury for the later stages and also make Fury less conscious of the head hunting that can and should come later. Still a risk, though, as Fury will counter and make Wilder pay for it.

    What do others think are the best adjustments? Who do you see having an easier time making adjustments? I think if Fury can make his adjustment #1, he probably has the advantage. But then, I'm rooting for Fury, so I freely admit some bias.
     
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  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Wilder needs to feint ore his lead hand, Fury dipped to his right anticipating Wilder`s right hand everytime Wilder threw the jab, so his should follow a jab or a feint with a hook. Fury needs to not move backwards away from Wider`s long straigt right hands, he needs to get off the center line everytime DW punches and move laterally to his right like Loma does in his weigt class.
     
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  3. BCS8

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    Wilder needs to discover what a jab is, and then learn to throw it fast and accurately.

    Fury just needs to up his conditioning.
     
  4. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Wilder: gain more weight, target the body a lot more and up the tempo.
     
  5. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Good point on the feint. I totally disagree that Fury shouldn't move backwards away from Wilder's right, though. Every time he moved backwards he completely avoided Wilder's shots. The only times he got caught were when he was dipping. Maybe move laterally to his right more in instances where he was dipping, but I'm not sure there is always adequate space for that.
     
  6. Up the gut

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    Wilders gonna struggle bad next time. Credit to him for accepting his whooping !
     
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  7. Wasteman

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    Wilder: Hire new trainer(s.) Improve defense.

    Fury: Less showboating. No cocaine allowed within arm's reach.
     
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  8. andrewa1

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    @KiwiMan and @CST80 ? Would be interested in what you see both fighters doing to adjust next time and who you think has an easier job of making the adjustments
     
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  9. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Wilder needs 3 things for the rematch.

    1. Weigh around 225 pounds because weighing under 219 was a big mistake in which maybe effective his power punch.

    2. He need to stop going for the homerun early and needs to relax by throwing a good hard jab and set it up with the right hand (A straight right hand).

    3. Go to the body more often especially if fury ducks down follow by an uppercut.

    Fury dont really need much to adjust except when he get wilder hurt? Try to atlesst go for the tko instead of leaving the hands of the judges.
     
  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    In Laymen's terms... Wilder should be forced to sit and study Fury's head movement, and where his head ends up, then work on his feints to provoke the said head movement, then aim for the eventual destination of the head as opposed to aiming at the existing target, that won't be there by the time the punch reaches it. In order for all that to work Wilder will need to hone and perfect his timing as well.
     
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  11. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think your analysis in the original post is pretty much spot on.

    In terms of who can make the adjustments more easily, I think Fury. He will naturally improve from the experience of being back at the top class again after a long layoff. It may sound easy for Wilder to study Fury's head movement at catch him there but in reality the timing needed to pull this off is very difficult to learn. However, there are two other factors to consider:
    A) Will Fury stay in shape between now and the rematch? Similarly, will he stay motivated and hungry?
    B) I think if Wilder puts down Fury like he did in round 12 I don't expect to see Fury recovering miraculously this time. As the mythical saying goes, lightning doesn't strike the same spot twice. Fury obviously has great powers of recovery but I don't think he can rely on being able to pull off a stunt like that twice, the number of variables which go into making a count or not are immense in number and my view is that everything chimed into place for him the first fight. So he must keep his concentration better this time.

    Assuming Fury does stay in shape, I favour him to the tune of 60-65% or thereabouts.
     
  12. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Agree 100%. Do you think the rematch will happen or that AJ will get one of them next?
     
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  13. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it's neither, and both Wilder and Fury could fight second-tier opponents while Joshua rematches Whyte next.

    But I think the rematch is more likely than Joshua facing either next.
     
  14. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Fury: Better stamina - will open up many doors for him. No sloppy dippings for the late rounds. More energy in punches and combinations for the offense when Wilder is hurt. More cliches and make use of his weight to drain Wilder. Faster hands and feet in general.
     
  15. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Agreed. Wilder needs to feint more and hook off the jab to keep Fury from dipping to his right. He also needs to throw his right straight and mix up the speed and power he throws it. He never threw his right at a reduced speed. Once Fury was able to get the timing down, it was difficult for DW to land. Finally, throw the jab more. DON'T GAIN WEIGHT!

    Fury needs to come in lighter. 240-248. In my opinion, his extra weight did not add much. He wasn't hanging on DW, draining him. Be more aggressive. Go at Wilder 2-3 times a round. And of course do what he did best in the first fight, which was, whenever Wilder had some success, Fury came right back and got some of his own.