@KuRuPT and others interested in the explanation of the Monzon draws. To understand this 1966 story, it is important for readers outside of Argentina to know that "Santa Fe" is the name of those born in the province and city of Santa Fe; the pupil of Amílcar Brusa of whom one speaks is Monzón, and in those years the fights were qualified to 20 points by round for each opponent, owing, in the total, to have three or more points of difference between one and another opponent to declare a winner, because a smaller amount established the tie. In Spanish, so you have to translate the entire article but it is very informative http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91139
Can you fill in the non-Spanish speakers? Who/what is the ultimate source for the description of the Argentinian scoring rules?
This is the only article on the explanation of the rules, I have found so far… But if you copy paste in google translate .. you can read it in English
I had a go at this and I am still not entirely clear. It seems to read that there needed to be 3 clear points in the scoring between two contestants, so as to enable a winner to be declared.
And if you look at the scoring at that time, it does follow suit … The scores were in the 200's … Here is the scorecard for Monzon Fernandez 1 September 3, 1966 "Luna Park, Buenos Aires, CF, Argentina "Argentine title of the median, 12 rounds "Jorge Fernandez (72 kilos 300) lost by points in unanimous decision with Carlos Monzón (71 kilos 500) champion Santafesino of the category. I refer Mr. Alfonso Araujo and the jurors failed like this: Giusti: 238 Monzón, 236 Fernández; Stern: 237 and 235 and Eloy González: 237 and 235 respectively. "Many times we have said that for a title to change hands, it is imperative that the Challenger show a clear superiority over the champion. However, the article states 3 or more points for a winner to be declared. Monzon only won by 2 points on each scorecard and won the tiltle.. So I am not sure if the scoring, winning by 2 or 3 points rule is the same for Title and non title fights .. At this point, I am not sure.. I was hoping @ChrisJS is familiar with the scoring in Argentina at that time
Yes - I just saw your prior post, thanks - and, that's how I interpreted it. So, this would indicate that the rule was not an absolute for all bouts. It would interesting to know whether the variation in its application was due to the level of bout or some other discretionary influence.
Yes for sure .. Also, he beat Fernandez the first time for the Argentina MW title and then again for the South American MW title .. might be different there too
From my understanding of a bout was for a world championship that organizations rules and scoring superceded the South American ruling. South American rules states you had to be up by four (or more) points on at least two cards to get the win.
But referee: Alfonso Araujo | Fortunato Giusti 238-236 | Jose Stern 237-235 | Eloy Gonzalez 237-235 Argentina (FAB) Middleweight Title Monzon won and took the Argentina (FAB) MW title by only 2 points on each card against Hernandez? Then it is your belief that Title and non title fights are different for a winner to be declared ??
Do you know the source of the South American rules? Was this just custom or did some organization impose them in writing?
I’m not sure to be honest. I was under the impression that it was all fights in South America that aren’t under WBC or WBA ruling but judging by the scoring in that fight perhaps it pertains to just non-title fights.
