Anthony Joshua vs Muhammad Ali who wins this super fight?

Definitely most underrated heavyweight! Someone like Luis Ortiz went from being underrated, to being grossly overrated, mainly because Deontay Wilder recently beat him to make Wilder's resume look better than what it really is. Kubrat Pulev is probably just as good, if not better and is being underestimated because of what Wladimir Klitschko did to him. When in reality, I don't think anybody else could do to Kubrat Pulev, what Wladimir Klitschko did to him.

I agree! I think Pulev would make Joshua look bad for awhile and then get stopped late on. But not as brutally as he was against Wladimir Klitschko.

However, Pulev may just be a horrible and a nightmare stylistic match up for Deontay Wilder. Kubrat Pulev is a tier or two above the likes of Johan Duhaupas and Gerald Washington. Two guys who gave Deontay Wilder serious problems and trouble, with mostly their jab and basic boxing fundamentals.

Let's just hope Kubrat Pulev gets a chance against one of the champions before he is too old!

 

No, my challenge wasn't answered because I challenged you to find me an instance of a super heavyweight the size of Wladimir Klitshcko, throwing multiple leaping left hooks in from distance. That wasn't the case with your Riddick Bowe example!

Yes, Wlad did throw leaping left hooks against Ray Austin. And he threw multiple of them, whilst leaping in from a long distance.

Wlad KO'ed many guys with single left hooks. He flattened Fabio Eduardo Moli with the first power punch he even landed in the first round, which was a left hook. It was the most extreme example of a a 'one punch KO' you will ever find!

Erm no! Prior to facing Riddick Bowe, Jesse Ferguson was also stopped by Mike Tyson and Bruce Seldon. So that's 3 stoppage losses, prior to facing Riddick Bowe!

And Carl Williams has 10 losses out of 41 bouts. In other words, he is a journeyman and it isn't majorly impressive to survive 5 rounds before getting stopped by someone like that.

Going through someone like Jesse Ferguson is no more impressive than Wladimir Klitschko knocking out someone like Fabio Eduardo Moli with the first power punch of the fight of the first round. And Ferguson, a guy with 18 losses and with multiple losses to opponents who also have double digit losses in their records is in no way comparable to someone like Eddie Chambers. Who has never been stopped, before or after by anybody else and only has 5 losses and has never lost to multiple opponents with double digit losses as Jesse Ferguson has.

Learn to make a proper comparison! Wladimir Klitschko needing 12 rounds to KO a much better quality opponent in Eddie Chambers isn't evidence that Riddick Bowe is a better left hooker because he KO'ed a SIGNIFICANTLY inferior level of opponent in Jesse Ferguson in the first round.

How many guys has Riddick Bowe KO'ed with his left hook, that were previously never KO'ed by anybody? How many guys has Riddick Bowe KO'ed with his left hook that weren't KO'ed by anybody else, before or after? In fact, how many guys has Riddick Bowe even dropped with is left hooks who were never even dropped in their entire freaking lives? If Jesse Ferguson is the best example you can give, then you have a very low standard I'm afraid!

And LMFAO at Carl Williams being better than Eddie Chambers. The same Carl Williams who has 10 losses in only 41 bouts and has 6 stoppage losses? The same Carl Williams who has losses against the likes of Anthony Green, a guy with 6 losses out of 16 bouts? The same Carl Williams who has losses to bums like Melvin Foster who himself has 25%+ losses out of his career record?

You're utterly delusional if you truly even believe that! Or you're void of logic and you're in need of logic courses. There's no other way around this!

Eddie Chambers has NEVER lost to bums and opponents with such poor records, consisting of double digit losses and 25%+ losses out of their career records as Carl Williams has.

In fact, I'd even argue that Eddie Chambers is on Evander Holyfield's level.

Single wins doesn't make one boxer better than another. Entire career records do. A guy with 18 losses out of his career record like Jesse Ferguson can in no objective universe, other than your deluded reality be better than someone like David Haye.

Buster Douglas isn't even better than Nikolai Valuev (who has more wins and less losses out of his career record). And David Haye's win over Nikolai Valuev > anything Jesse Ferguson has done. And Ray Mercer is John Ruiz's level, who David Haye easily beat.

So no, Jesse Ferguson is not even CLOSE to David Haye's level. David Haye was a top 10 heavyweight boxer and a champion. Jesse Ferguson never was and nobody with that many losses is ever going to be ranked in the top 10. Thus, Jesse Ferguson is totally irrelevant as an example.

If he was anywhere near David Haye's level, he wouldn't have as many losses to as many low level opponents that also have double digit losses and 25%+ losses out of their career record.

 

Hook , not hooks. The first one was , the rest weren't.
The difference between short chopping left hooks and leaping left hooks has been established already so there's no need to cover this any further Ok ? Great

You really need to do your homework because you're going to be exposed here yet again. . Ferguson was DQ'd against Tyson , he wasn't stopped. You'd know that if you had seen the fight instead of looking up his record.
Against Seldon he was pulled out due to cuts. He wasn't stopped by either guy , only by Williams , so only one guy had stopped him late on prior to the Bowe fight.
Im sure you'd agree that Vitali wasn't stopped by punches against Byrd or Lewis , so this is another round in the bag for me and another crushing defeat for you.

So basically you're looking up these guys end of career records and deciding who was better based on who has more losses?? That's desperation , incompetence and shows your dependency on fabrications / deception to make a point since you can't make a proper case for these guys being better..
Your logic states that Wilder is levels beyond Holyfield because he never lost and Vander has double digit loses. That nonsense you're peddling doesn't account for circumstances or context.

As i said already , Ferguson fought at world level during one of the best HW weight era's ever. . Moli is a nobody who fought his career on the club circuit in Argentina. The only two names he ever fought fought were Wlad / Matt Skelton and he lost both fights by knock out.
Ferguson is easily comparable to Haye and Chambers since he has better wins than they do. Its as simple as that.

Bowe flat lining Ferguson with one shot is far more impressive than your laughable examples of no-name club boxers. Its especially impressive considering that Tyson battered / dropped Jesse unmerciful and couldn't put him away.
Its been proven you never seen that fight and if you haven't seen the Tyson fight then its very likely you haven't seen any Jesse Ferguson fight. He had only taken one stoppage loss prior to facing Bowe and that came in the last round against Williams.

You're boxrecing and playing a game of top trumps again. Im pretty sure Chambers lost every round to Gerald Washington , and while he may not have been in his prime for that fight , Carl Williams was superior to Washington in every department and would undoubtedly surpass his performance to beat any version of Chambers.
Consider the issues Chambers had with Washington and Wlads jab , now consider that Williams had a genuine atg level jab and arguably a top 15 jab of all time. He was also more active and a much better mover than Chambers.
Carl Williams ran prime Larry Holmes to a razor close decision ffs. He'd out box Chambers with ease. Chamber was not even better than Trevor Berbick and he was beaten soundly by Williams.

LOL.

Jesse Ferguson beat Buster Douglas who went onto to beat undefeated ATG Mike Tyson. Jesse Ferguson beat Ray Mercer after his win against undefeated Tommy Morrison. Soon after Mercer would go on to battle Lennox Lewis to a close majority decision loss.

The only prime guy Haye beat worth mentioning was Derrick Chisora and Mercer is a better win than Chisora. Chisora would not have been able to take what Mercer took off Morrison and rally back to beat him by stoppage.

The next best guy Haye fought was an old n faded Valeuv with skeletal / bone issues who he won a close MD against . Valeuv arguably should have lost his title in his previous fight against a 46 year old Holyfield.
Ray Mercer gave a PRIME Holyfield a tougher fight than Valeuv did so that shows you the difference in levels we're dealing with.
So Ferguson is clearly near enough to the level of David Haye , if not even better than David Haye. If David Haye had 44 fights at Heavyweight during the 80's and 90's , then he'd also have double digit losses on his record.

 

Yup, you're totally correct! What can I say? Other than the fact that Wladimir Klitschko that boxed was really just a robotic copy of his real self. The real Wladimir Klitschko was a human who was studying in university and becoming academically successful whilst the boxer we've seen and known as Wladimir Klitschko, is just a robotic replica of the human. So that those watching, think that the boxer is the real Wladimir Klitschko when he isn't.

Of course, Wladimir Klitschko (I mean Wladimir Klitbot) really doesn't have any punching power in any of his punches. Including in his left hook. Those boxers who he supposedly knocked out, like Kubrat Pulev, Eddie Chambers and Ray Austin were all paid to take dives. They weren't real / genuine knockouts. We must finally see through this deception / illusion and learn the real truth. And the truth is, Wladimir Klitschko has no more punching power than a little sissy girl. It's just that he's opponents have taken dives to make him look good because they were paid off.

All of Wladimir Klitschko's (I mean Klitbot's) opponents aren't real boxers either. They were all fake boxers who are part time workers in different fields. You're absolutely correct! You couldn't be further from the truth! All those guys from the 1990's were 100% real and genuine boxers. Whilst Wladimir Klitbot's team payed off those taxi drivers, police officers, security guards and shop keepers to step into the ring and to pretend to be boxers so that they make Wladimir Klitbot look good. And that's exactly what has happened!

Of course, when Riddick Bowe knocked Jesse Ferguson out. Not only did he 'flat line' him or knock him out unconscious. But he also killed / murdered the real Jesse Ferguson. But they had to find a Jesse Ferguson clone to put into the ring so that they could pretend that Jesse Ferguson never really died and was still boxing. Otherwise, Riddick Bowe obviously would've went down for manslaughter / murder. And that's why the fake / clone Jesse Ferguson that came after the real one was killed by Riddick Bowe's left hook, was knocked out multiple times afterwards because he wasn't as durable as the real one as the real one was never knocked out by anybody else, other than by Bowe himself whilst the fake / clone one that came after was knocked out by many others.

 

Dear Good God Almighty, why were you born?

 

The way Joshua fought last saturday? There's no way Joshua would've beat a prime Ali no way. Joshua struggle badly vs a slick good fighter in Parker. Parker is no where in prime Ali class. Ali would embarrassed Joshua badly.

 

Exactly!!

He barely laid a glove on Parker all night!! Ali would dance circles around him, Joshua would be missing nearly Everything, Ali would tag and counter every miss and stop Joshua in the mid to late rounds, the big boy would be sucking wind and have nothing left mid fight.

Levels...

 

You are trolling....i dont think aj beats a witherspoon or pinklon thomas circa 84/85 let alone a Ali.

There are huge levels seperating these guys on their best days....Aj is a good fighter in a very weak era for hws.he went life and death with a 41 yr old version of a previous ruler of a weak era...i think wilder knocks out aj and wilder is 215 lbs!!! All this height and weight nonsense has nothibg to do with it...none of these big guys are a ttson ,foreman,or frazier for power and velocity...theyre all more valuev....again it comes down to the fundamental lack of boxing knowledge most internet youtube posters these days have...recently i had an idiit 17 year old steroid freak in the gym who thinks ges a boxer tell me Ali would lose to tyson fury ...he was smug and matter of fact about it...he also said he would kill anyone his size in his upcoming amateur career...as he was "huge "for his 75 kg...i mentioned id been a anateur boxer 20-25 years ago and weighed 69 kg now...anyway he asked to spar and i taught him a lesson in humility even at 41....levels....its about levels ....to even know a certain level exists u have been at a certain level of understanding yourself....

Joshua is good...but lennox would have poleaxed him,wilder,whyte and chisora within 4 rounds the lot of them...i think frank bruno circa 1989-91 gives aj life and death

Hw boxing since 2005 is (klitchkos and aj and wilder excepted) not what it was talent velocity wise what it was in 80s and 70s..or 90-94....

 

Thought it might be fun to revisit this thread now that Joshua has gained more experience.

 

your "is" is entirely based on a "would"

 

presumably only if Folley had to retire with a broken rib as with YJJ?

What an awesome name btw young jack johnson.

 

sooo...if he ate 1000 pies then he would be a match for them?

Because thats what you are claiming, indirectly.

 

I’m surprised this thread is still getting posts Ali weighed 210 lbs at 22yrs old and upto age 24-25yrs fought at numerous weights upto and around 215lbs. After his exile went up and down in weight between 215-230 lbs depending on the opponent, ie fighting Frazier at 215 in 1971 Up to 226 to for Mathis and back down to 220 for blin in the same year, it’ is no secret that Ali’s best years were not seen so all I’m saying is ALi in let’s say 68-69 with no lay off, (REAL PRIME ) weighing 220lbs would have seen a younger more active Ali carry that weight at similar speeds to the pre exile 212-215 ALi. So really there is only a 20lb difference between him and Joshua and rest of modern heavyweights, Ali’s reach was often billed between 78-80 inch so only a coupe of inch difference, Povetkin s reach is under 76 inch and he had no trouble catching Joshua, when you look at a David Haye at 220 against bellew he his ripped to shreds like a blown up body builder same as usyk will look same as Holyfield looked, now think to yourself if ALi trained with weights in the gym as long as them and took the same supplement ‘s or whatever they take how much do you think ALI would have weighed? Especially when you think ALI’S training was nearly all cardio designed to lose weight not gain weight (and we know muscle weighs heavier) it’s also true Ali’s walking around weight was around 230-40 lbs after the age of 29yrs all be it fat and overweight a bit like a modern heavy lol, So he would have weighed a lot more than 220 so there for it makes sense he is a large framed man, so let’s say his best weight is 220lbs in 68-69 27 or 28yrs old no inactivity (REAL PRIME) at that weight imo he would have way too much speed and easy enough size to defeat Joshua and all these heavies today.

 

You don't know how to score fights if you had Wlad ahead at any point in the Joshua fight.

 

You don't know how to score fights if you didn't