Is Fury the Lineal Champion?

a) 2 years seems a reasonable amount of time to me.
b) New lineage would be established by consensus top 2 fighting.
c) No.
d) No.
e)No.

Personally, I believe there is no lineal champion right now at Heavyweight. It will require a fight between Joshua and the Fury - Wilder II winner to establish a new champion.

 

Fury is the champ

 

He's the man who beat the man, who beat the man, so he's the lineal champion, what's so hard to understand ?!

 

Fury can come back and be as good as he was when he beat Klitscho, therefore we have to consider him the true lineal champion, because nobody took his belts off him by defeating him.

It's the same situation Ali found himself in when he came back. He was considered the true champ even though Frazier had the belts. Frazier of course beat him and so the torch passed.

If Lewis came back after so long, then no you wouldn't consider him the lineal champ. I'm sure he would say he is (If he did come back) and some fans would say so too, but on the whole, I think the boxing community would make a fair judgement that he wouldn't be the same Lewis.

I mean, even the Lewis that retired with the belts was faded!

 

You consider Wilder and Fury to be the consensus top 2?

Oh dear.

 

Yea, because he looked like absolute crap against Seferi. It looked like a different fighter vs Wilder.

However, Wilder is that bad, the current Fury might still be levels below the one from 2015. We just don't know yet.

 

He was never technically the lineal champ. I don't have a big problem with him being called that, because he beat someone widely acknowledged as "the man" in the division, in Wlad. But technically, Lewis was the last lineal champ. Another true lineal champ doesn't get made until all recognized belts are fully unified by one person, eliminating any legit debate. Lewis had "beat the man who beat the man", in Briggs, who had beat Foreman (kinda), who had beat Moorer, in a lineage directly traceable back to when Floyd Patterson was acclaimed the consensus world champ after Marciano had retired.

That was easy to do back when there was only one or 2 belts. Its gotten a lot harder over the years. So, when an ATG standout like Wlad exists, we think of him as the lineal champ and the first guy to beat him gets that title.

Again, I don't have a big problem with that mental shorthand way of viewing it. But a technically "pure" lineal champ won't be made against until one of these guys collects all four recognized belts, and beats Fury (unless it is Fury), assuming he is still active.

 

No, I believe Fury and Joshua to be the consensus top 2. Hence why it would require Joshua to fight the Wilder - Fury winner to establish a new lineage.

 

Sorry my mistake.

You don't think a Fury vs Joshua fight would do that?

 

I do, but it's not really worth mentioning as it's not very likely.

If I were ranking the fights in terms of likelihood it would go:
Most likely - Fury - Wilder II
Unlikely - Joshua - Wilder
Least Likely - Joshua - Fury

 

Technique wise he was as good as could be expected.

He was just so..... fat.