Can Wilder still break Marciano's record with a Draw

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  1. Oakland Billy Smith

    Oakland Billy Smith Active Member banned Full Member

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    If he beats AJ and retires at 50-0-1
     
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    He'd be catching up(-1) on Finito Lopez.
     
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    No. Marciano does not have a draw. He will have a different record.

    Also, Marciano was undisputed champion of the world, not carnival strongman champion or whatever it is Wilder is supposed to be.

    But its not going to happen anyway. We see now that without steroids, he can't even outright beat medically unfit fighters. His talk of gaining weight is talk of going back to steroids--only now he is being tested. Look for his career to derail one way or the other very soon.
     
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    The streak can't be but the record can...so technically no.

    KEY word CAN....and that's as plausible as him defeating Joshua which is about 10% chance of it .
     
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    Understand it's all hypothetical, but isn't going to happen. 10 fights off, 5 years barring no injuries. Actually facing AJ, and managing to beat Fury? Farcical debate imo
     
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    It was a loss so no.
     
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    Marciano is so very overrated.
     
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  8. Leoh

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    Those numbers don't mean a thing. It's all about the level of opposition. A 30-10 career can be much better than a 40-0. Adrian Granados at 20-6-2 is a much better fighter than a lot of undefeated guys.
     
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    J Griz 757 Arturo "Thunder" Gatti Full Member

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    No.
    Marciano (maybe a bit over rated) won every single professional fight he had. Wilder can no longer say that.

    But don't get it twisted, retiring undefeated looks better on paper than anything else, to the real boxing community it usually says more about what you didn't do. In most cases (not Finito) people retire undefeated due to hyper selective match making / rarely (if ever) taking a fight with someone in their absolute prime in their best weight class etc.

    If you simply mean staying unbeaten past 49/50 fights, then there is your answer, technically yea, Wilder could stay unbeaten past 49/50 fights (as wildly implausible as it is).
     
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    No
     
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  11. Farooq

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    Marciano has no record. If you mean going undefeated as a heavyweight then still no. Marciano is a cruiserweight by modern standards.
     
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    Good point. I have yet to find a fight in which Rocky M. broke 200 (in his latter pro years he stayed around 185-188 lbs. for weigh ins typically)
     
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    Sven Ottkes undefeated record is superior to Wilders in every respect.
     
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    Those records are sort of nonsense. A guy of Yori Boy Campas quality could win the title and have a lot of fights against nobodies and beat the record? Isn't that how it works? Total title defenses to me means more. Who has the record there Joe Louis? I know Holmes got close.
     
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