Lennox Lewis He(Joshua) doesn't want those guys. He's happy being protected in England

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  1. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Of course Joshua has the most impressive resume after 22 fights, that is not even disputed.

    Some fighters reach their peak eariler than others and to be honest on paper Joshua first 22 fights look better than most other Heavyweight's first 22 fights. Go and look at Fury's first 22 fights and see if there is anything impressive there. Yet what relevance does it have in regards to ability and the present moment on who is willing to take the bigger fights to prove themselves?

    Lets also remember that even though there are good names on Joshua's resume, many of them were over the hill, short, fat with Joshua holding significant advantages with age, reach and size, it's understandable why he was fast tracked.

    And just because Joshua has a decent resume for his first 22 fights, does that now give him licence to duck and play diva in this present moment? We make no bones about Wilder's poor standard of opposition in his first 22 fights, and I have been one of his harshest critics in recent time, but he has shown willingness to step up and dare to be great.

    Whilst I can't say the same about Joshua I'm afraid who has hidden behind his owners Barry and Eddie Hearn who have already revealed the protection plan to milk people like you out of their hard earned money.
     
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  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Just browsing the thread and not getting involved in anyones dispute.

    Link below says he is a dual citizen of England and Canada
    https://nationalpost.com/sports/oly...ics-his-ties-to-canada-and-loyalty-to-britain
     
  3. Geo1122

    Geo1122 Active Member Full Member

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    Honestly, how are you not aware that Joshua and Co are trying to make a fight with Wilder? Your whole argument is propped up on a blatant lie, and as soon as you acknowledge it, your argument collapses. Just say it, “Joshua is trying to make the Wilder fight.”
     
  4. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Right.... And what does this change exactly?

    If it were such, that his passport details had suddenly changed to say he had been born in Canada, does it change anything in regards to his point?

    Or are we fishing for dirt in order to discredit Lewis in some form or another? We going to find out if his he married a Canadian women and all his pets were from Canada to imply that that he's got something against Britain.

    While you'll do that, I'll see if I can find any photos of Lewis with the union jack flag draped over the roof of his house or car bumper to prove his Britishness.
     
  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Havent said it does or doesnt change anything. I just said I was browsing, saw your post and just gave a link that said Lewis was a citizen of England and Canada.
    Openly said I am not in your debate, so not sure even what you are going on about? I havent read what you are disputing.
    Why would I want to discredit Lewis? I think he is one of the best HWs ever

    You need to calm down a bit and not be on the defence so much. I wonder if ESB is getting to you a bit lately?
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Are you talking before he was champ or when he was champ?
    In title fights -
    Martin is 6ft 5, with an 80" reach and was 29
    Breazeale is 6ft 7 with an 81 1/2" reach and was 30
    Parker is 6ft 4" with a 76" reach and was 26

    when you consider he has had 7 world title fights where Takam was a sub, and 2 of them were unifications I dont really see what you think is so bad or wrong with the competition?


    Before he was a world champ and with only 15 fights he had faced undefeated 6ft 4" Whyte who was 27 at the time and with a 78" reach and had beaten undefeated 6ft 7" Cornish who was 28


    I dont think that is bad
     
  7. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    My apologies.

    I am on the defensive because I have a lot of enemies on here who are working very hard to discredit me at every turn.
     
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  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why would he need to fight outside of the UK?
    Many fighters before they are champs fight outside of their own country but not so much as champions. Consider Hatton in his 2nd fight was in America but it wasnt against a fighter threatening his progression, so wouldnt really be considered the same as defending a world title abroad.
    Fighters tend to go and stay (understandably) where they can make the most and it does appear for fighters like Joshua that he can make his money at home.

    What is so wrong with that?
    Floyd Mayweather I believe lived in Vegas which is where many of his big fights were, it was where he could make big money. He wasnt defending abroad... He didnt have to
     
  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Really dont worry mate.

    I ask questions to alot of peoples posts or just read one post in a thread and answer something on it when not really reading the whole thing.

    I actually enjoy reading your posts even when I dispute them and like the passion that you post with
     
  10. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    For global recognition and credibility

    Mayweather could afford to stay and fight in Vegas, since he was earning 100 million a fight and all eyes are on America.

    AJ is only a big star in Britain.
     
  11. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    its good that you aknowledge Wilders 1st 22 opponents not being very good. But to be fair there have been many Boxers who dont start to make serious moves in this sport until the have had 20 fights or so. How do you rate Wilders opposition from 22 to 32? I think it doesnt look much better than his 1st 22.
     
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    With due respect and with the money and crowds he draws, I dont think he needs to be travelling.
    If all eyes are on America, I would have expected Wilder to be a bigger draw and more interest in potential US fights like him against Miller, but Miller was in the UK to watch Chisora/Whyte 2
     
  13. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    The Heavyweight division is dead in America now because most fans have their interests in a huge choice of other sports from Baseball. NFL,Hockey, UFC, Basketball, NASA Racing and of course there are not many big names in the HW division. Compared to the uk, most of the biggest sports which draws fans are football, Rugby and maybe Critcket. Now with Sky pumping in billions into boxing and Hearn's clever promoting to make boxing appeal to football fans, it's understandable why there is a huge following in the uk.

    When Floyd was flourishing the welterweight division was littered with huge stars, from Mosley, Pacquiao, Cotto and of course you have the mexican fanbase who brought huge support to fighters like Oscar Del La Hoya, Morales, Berrera, Margarito.

    There is no such competition in the heavyweight division in this period in America.

    When a true big name took to fight and rival Wider in Fury, it was one of the biggest events in boxing which will forever be remembered and superseded any ppv event in the uk barring Klitchsko vs Joshua.
     
  14. smiffyinoz

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    Let’s face it, Wilder will take the safe route and fight the feather fisted Fury. He will still get beaten but not the savage beating he’d receive from Whyte or Joshua.
     
  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You say it yourself that HW boxing is dead in the US. So with that argument Joshua doesnt need to travel.
    I dont know how big Fury/Wilder was. How big was the venue and were all seats sold?
    It was big im sure because Fury sold the fight well. Also American HW boxing, I dont think is dead. They have many HWs and im sure it would be very big had Wilder got a win over Fury and im sure the word lineal would have been branded around