Old Foreman vs Wlad Klitschko

Mild credit, at least you watch it. I disagree that the punch that would have floored most. It was a wild and sloppy type of punch and it did not land on the jaw as you stated. More like his forehead. So don't call me disingenuous as you making it out like a chin checker.

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Video of the punch at 11:08 mark above ^^^

Foreman was wobbled. He missed badly and went low, a sign he was hurting

In the interview he was clearly embarrassed in the interview. Lakusta wasn't close to a puncher either. He was KO'd almost as many times as he won, and was 35 for the fight...older / past his If he had a best, yet he rocked Big George. Lakusta would be lucky to last two rounds with Wlad

 

Championship Pedigree is in question here.

Wlad had it in spades. At the time of his inevitable downfall he had controlled the heavyweight division for almost 8% of its MDQ existence. Ponder that.

 

I really can't believe that there are as many as 9 posters that think glacially slow OLD Foreman has any chance whatsoever against Wlad.

Maybe if you picked the greenest version ever of Wlad, and assumed that he'd blow his wad trying to get the KO and then old Foreman would, like an angry turtle, shuffle over and club him flat.

A proper, prime version of Wlad would very simply stink the joint out for 9-10 rounds, technically dismantling Foreman from the outside with his longer, faster and better jab, using his incomparably faster footwork to keep out of any exchange whatsoever. He might well feed Foreman the occasional left hook off the jab for variety and right straight down the pipe to keep him honest. Very late in the fight if we're lucky he opens up and puts him out of his misery. Everybody cries out about the unfair mismatch and how Foreman had the heart of a lion.

What a disgusting cherrypick just to get a name on a resume. What's next, old man Holy?

 

This platitude gets parroted by you in almost every Klitschko thread you visit these days. Its the same as Doza's rounds won / rounds lost ratio for Vitali. Both statements take a different meaning under the right context.

This division he controlled was the equivalent of a league 2 or 3 football table. If you pitted a lower league team with a Premiership team, they'd be toy'd with and embarrassed , k?

Thats how Wlad should have been dealing with the puddle deep talent pool he occupied , but he picked up losses , struggled and was forced to constantly cheat in order to win , so that tells me he wasn't much better than the standard level of comp he was fighting.

Eddie Chambers didn't have much , if any trouble with Sam Peter , does he beat Foreman too? Look , if you struggle badly to keep a guy like Peter off you , then the possibility of getting stopped by Foreman is very real. Thats just simply reality.

This guys best win is a 12 rounds illegal hold fest against Povektin who was half his size. You can't change that , its the truth. How does he beat Foreman when he was forced to illegally back hump little Povetkin every minute of every round so he wouldn't get knocked out??
Please show me the performance by Wlad that proves he could handle the destructive force of Foreman?????

Antony Joshua was an overweight novice who burned up a lot of nervous energy against Wlad. 18-0 prospects aren't meant to be fighting on a stage that huge against seasoned veterans.
He was stiff and apprehensive , but he clipped Wlad every time he let his hands go.. ok. Wlad was 41 , but there's something to note about how he fought the fight. He abandoned all of his clinching tactics because he knew Joshua would punch straight through his clinch , or even worse , he feared getting caught attempting to clinch.
We all saw how baldy he got caught up close against somebody who has an inside game. When he slowed down , Joshua got rid of him with ease.

Joshua a few fights later found it hard to find Tackum. Guys literally ran away from Foreman and he still found them. 88-92 Foreman was better at cutting off the ring than AJ , he was more relaxed , had better stamina and hit MUCH harder.

If Wlad tries to clinch box , he'll get caught with hooks and Cooney uppercuts up the middle. If he moves , he reduces his artillery and gasses out mid to late rounds. Stylistically this match-up favors the guy rated on the top 10 ATG HW list.

 

So OLD Foreman is better than AJ too, now?



Dino, put that box down, its not cereal, its the rat poison.

IE - Wladimir Klitschko.

 

Wlad is a pound for pound type of boxer. If you want to talk flaw's old Foreman was slow, had bad reflexes, hand picked slow and easy to hit guys ( Minus his title shots ) to fight, and clearly avoided the better-skilled punchers as I mentioned. Oh, George would swell easy. He had the sunglasses on more than once. What remained for the older Foreman was a solid jab, and clubbing power, but that's about it. Foreman had to pace himself. Wlad wind was far better, and with his speed accuracy and power, this would get ugly. And he would have a height and reach advantage, which Foreman would have to adjust too.

Wlad flaws were covered up by being an excellent judge of distance and quick footwork, a high guard that eliminated the hook, and he was perhaps the best clincher of all time when he wanted to do it. And let's be realistic here, his offensive power & accuracy combined with his speed made the other man gun shy in many cases. I don't think the old Foreman hit has hard with the velocity that Sanders or Brewster had, and like I said before Foreman avoided faster and heavy hitters unless sit was a title shot.

Its a mismatch with an outside puncher's chance for Foreman. I can't believe someone who boxes would think otherwise.

Speak of Peter, who fouled behind the head. He lost and was in his best shape and motivated that night. In the re-match, what happened? Sam thing for Brewster, and I believe Wlad was not 100% that night.

You do know Wlad holds the record for a heavyweight champion for years fought without going down and ducked no man, correct? WHatver flaw you think he had was obviously hard to exploit, and an old and slow man would not be the one to do it.

Just to check reality here, how do you think his brother would do vs Old Foreman?

 

First of all brewster should not have been medically cleared to fight in his remaych with Wladmir. Second, no matter how you try to spin things, brewster and peter were NOT on old foremans level of skill or power. Go ahead and make a poll if youre confident. Im well aware of the fact wladmir won the decision over Peter, but the point is we are comparing STYLES and body types and he DID give Wladmir serious problems with his charge in and slug tactics and brewstwr flat out kod him. That's not even debatable.

So if foreman is BETTER than brewster and especially peter your notion that Wladmir would just "easily" keep foreman on tbe outside and outbox him winning every round is no based on reality! Could wladmir win this fight? Absolutely. But the FACT he struggled with slow on orders like Brewster, Peter, and was kod by journeyman purrity means its far more likely he will have to dig deep to win (if he wins at all).

As for Vitali he has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. He likely outpoints foreman in an ugly fight full of leaning, sloppy arm punches and clubbing shots. I doubt vital gets a ko if he couldnt knock down a wheezing stationary Briggs.

 

You're a dribbling buffoon with exactly noting to contribute, who invariably detracts from any and all conversations he imposes himself upon, and appear to be univocally disliked for damn good reason.

Now then you your featherbrained points:
I most definitely will call you disingenuous, again, and quite rightly. You misrepresented what occurred through glaring and willful preterition, quite knowingly, quite transparently, and quite shamelessly. No further argument is required on this score because of course you already agree, as does anyone who can read.

As for your tu quoque implication that I'm in no position to point out your mendacity because I've allegedly been disingenuous myself, it's a matter of elementary logic that your own dishonesty would remain entirely unmodified even if I far surpassed it by saying something like Lakusta never laid a glove on Foreman. But of course I didn't.

As it happens I was describing the fight from memory -and once again honestly, unlike you- and it neither hurts my case nor helps yours that he was hit on the temple rather that the jaw -certainly not enough that I would bother to lie about it even if I were eager to lie about something.

Everything else you point out is entirely consistent with exactly what I said: Foreman was caught off guard because he assumed the guy was already finished.
Yes he was wobbled and yes he was embarrassed. And?

Don't bother replying to me again. I've already seen repeated, thoroughgoing demonstrations of how little regard you have for honest discussion, and there's no point in burning any more fuel rebutting arguments you obviously don't believe yourself.

 

Wlad had a tendency to unravel in the face of a half-decent assault from his opponent and, whilst it defied convention, a 40-Something Foreman was still a bit of a machine and could deliver considerable pressure; forcing his opponents to go on the evasive. I also think Foreman is a better Finisher than anyone Wlad faced and, if Wlad were to feel the pinch and become disarranged, I think Foreman would be apt to end it there and then.

Even if Wlad takes to his typical jab and grab tactics, Foreman has an array of short-range punches and could still be the bully on the inside, as required. So, unless Wlad can knock Foreman out early, it's really only a matter of time before Klitschko succumbs.

 

People keep bringing up the Peter bout, Peter was 24 years old in his prime, the number 1 ranked contender fighting live bodies, just to put in perspective the version of Foreman that stopped Cooper was 40 years old and six months. Fighting the club circuit.
It’s a huge difference. Plus Peter scored two of his knockdowns with illegal blows, the type of which Foreman never threw.
Wlad rematched Peter at 30 - still 10 years younger than “peak” comeback George and won every round and ko’d him.
George has little chance in this fight he was too slow of foot, to slow of hand and certainly could not keep the pace of the younger fighters Wlad lost too.
Not to mention Wlad entered his prime under Steward as champion and improved his weakest asset confidence after he defeated Peter. Wlad ruled the division in an iron grip for nearly 12 years.

 

Until someone can explain to me how wladmir "easily" keeps foreman at range with his jab and boxes his head off when NO ONE ever did that to foreman and SEVERAL fighters who were inferior to foreman got past wladmir's jab, this argument should be dismissed as fan fiction nonsense.

 

a '91 Foreman would have hurt Peter - very, very badly.

 

He almost certainty would, but Peter can't fight on the back foot like Wlad can.

 

Wlad can fight on the back foot? Show me, please.

 

91 Foreman fought twice lost a decision to Holyfield and defeated jimmy Ellis. 92 got busted up badly by by Alex Stewart and won a MD. Peter could of inflicted serious damage on Foreman as well. I’m sorry but I don’t see anyone on Foreman’s comeback resume that indicates he could of defeated Wlad. His best win was Moorer a blown up ex light heavy that never set a fast tempo, and was never considered the best heavy during a time you had Bowe, Lewis, Tyson in division.