Old Foreman vs Wlad Klitschko

Peter was almost almost like a bigger, tougher, Alex Stewart.

 

Peter has stylistic flaws you could drive a truck through. But at his best he was fearless, was able to close distance quickly and was able to throw freakishly hard punches in bunches. That's much more challenging to Wlad than a slow fat guy trying to play the jabbing game with him.

 

1 often on the minority side of cards?

I don’t believe so, but can see why it might seem that way to some. I don’t always vocally chime in if I agree with what is being said. Sometimes I agree with judges over the consensus other times I think the consensus is off and the judges got it right. Sometimes they agree and I do as well.

2 no I did not pick Canelo or score for him in both fights. I do think the judges got it right though. Draw in 1 and Canelo 7-5 in the 2nd and yes I scored Wilder vs Fury a draw. Ali over Norton lol I don’t believe so. I did just rescore one of them? For Norton.

3 not really going to adress the rest of the post because your biases for Wlad, Vitali and against Johnson etc are not worth my time or yours.

4 the reason you find me going against the grain in cards might be because I am not biased for or against any fighter of the last 30 years in my mind. Most of my biases live back in my childhood young adult years. I also think many boxing fans have no clue how to score a fight. Like you many want punch stats to determine outcomes or they score on a 10 or 12 round synopsis rather than 12 isolated rounds like the judges. When I think a consensus is wrong I speak up. When I think it is correct I see little need to chime in so perhaps that is why it seems that way.

4 I don’t call every decision a robbery even if I disagree with it. Case in point many call Lockridge vs Gomez a robbery. I used to. I scored 5 clear rounds for Rocky and 3 for Gomez. I scored it 8-5-2 for Rocky. I think he won. However that leaves 7 rounds that are swing rounds. I scored 3-2-2 for Rocky in those close rounds....but I couldn’t argue if someone scored it 5-2 for Gomez or Rocky. In the case of Gomez I can see how someone scored it his way. He was more active while Rocky landed harder. That makes it difficult to score and why we have controversy. But does not necessarily make it a robbery.

On the other hand I feel like you picked GGG and Fury prior to the fights (you are not known to be unbiased in any fight where you have a favorite) listened to announcers who parroted what you wanted to hear (and I will add helped many to see what they wanted to see), media cards which have no impact on me weather I agree with them or not, to you they are always right lol. And punch stats.

Case in point B look at any Canelo thread on general and classic is close to them in mindset anymore. Canelo/DLH are cheaters. Every pick is Canelo will lose the fight but win the judges card. Canelo is a cheater (I hate the tainted meat and lost respect for him)... he gets ripped constantly among fans and media....and now the fans and media who pick against him are going to be unbiased in a fight c’mon.

 

Oh its just my "opinion" that foreman was better than peter? I Will only use facts and stats then.

Power: foreman 84% ko ratio Peter 69%

Killer instinct/Finishing ability: foreman 55 kos in the first 4 rounds, peter 24. Or 68% of foremans opponents vs peters 57%

Chin: foreman 1 ko loss due to exhaustion, peter kod 4x

Height: foreman

Reach: foreman

Experience: foreman

Defense: foreman

Jab: foreman

Body shots: foreman

Ring iq: foreman

Stamina: foreman

These arent even my opinions, foreman was a superior and more well rounded boxer to samuel peter in almost every category even if you want to give him a slight edge in explosiveness and speed.

 

This Foreman:

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not this Foreman:

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Nice try at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

 

Sam Peter is, without doubt, the most overrated Heavyweight on these boards.

Explosive? LOL - Damp squib, more like.

 

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Moving the goal post?

So lets keep this strictly old foreman then since u apparently cant admit when youre wrong:

I will ONLY use 1987-1997 foreman

Power: foreman 76% ko ratio Peter 69%

Killer instinct/Finishing ability: foreman 19 kos in the first 4 rounds, peter 24. Or 56% of foremans opponents vs peters 57%

Chin: foreman ZERO ko losses, peter kod 4x

Height: foreman

Reach: foreman

Experience: foreman

Defense: foreman

Jab: foreman

Body shots: foreman

Ring iq: foreman

Stamina: foreman

Happy now?

-So are you denying foreman had a better jab than peter? His jab is listed as a top 10 sometimes even top 5 jab.m on multiple lists. Where do people rate peter's jab???
-are you denying foreman was an inch taller with longer reach?
-are you denying that even old foreman had a higher ko% and more power?
-are you denying foreman had the better chin? Foreman never down or out, peter kod multiple times.
-are you denying that foreman paced himself better than peter and had better managemenr of his stamina?
-are you denying foreman had higher ring iq than the caveman Samuel peter?

These are all rhetorical questions in case you're too slow to realize. Go on, keep embarrassing yourself.

 

LOL - Because Williams was an elite, world-class, iron-chinned benchmark for Peter's Superhuman Punch Power...


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I was with you up to the ANY bit.

Old George loses every round, at least every round the fight lasts.

But the earlier George would probably be too much for Wlad.

 

I would give Waldo the advantage 80/20 over the best version of Foreman.

 

Full marks.
This is the correct answer.

 

Best version of Foreman is a top six all-time h2h.

Best version of Vitali is too.

But not Wlad.

 

I can’t really see what Old Foreman had that Pulev didn’t.