Old Foreman vs Wlad Klitschko

A chin?

 

Name me the fighters not named Wlad who really hurt him.

 

Name me any world class fighters not named Wlad that he's faced.

 

It was only a matter of time before somebody claimed a bum like Peter was better than Foreman. Stooping that low to make a point just gives more credit to the pro-Foreman side.

An overweight past prime James Toney rope -a -dope'd Peter ffs. Just stood right in front of him and out-boxed him. He had far less trouble against Peter than Wlad did. Peter needed a rematch to hold a decisive win over Toney who had no business at HW.

Peter just wasn't any good and going life n death with him reflects badly on Wlad rather than reflecting positively on Peter. He'd be a Samson Pu'ha or Luis Monaco if he was around in the 90's. Frank Botha was better than him.

Something to note about two of the three drops he got against Wlad , two were around the back of the head , but how on earth was little stumpy Peter even able to get off shots around the back of Wlads head??
Its because Wlad was turning his back and trying to run away from Peter. ..

Peter would never have been able to extend his arms all the way around the back of Wlads head , Wlad gave up his back as he was attempting to flee the danger zone.
He did the same against Povetkin and Tyson Fury.

He blatantly and shamefully kept truing away from Fury everytime Fury found an opportunity to work him over in close. Tony Weeks allowed it and went so far as to deduct a point from Fury for punching at the only target he had in front of him.. It wasn't Fury's fault the only target he had in front of him was Wlads back.

Here's a gif of him doing the same against Povetkin

https://thesignaldotbiz.files.wordp...chko_vs_alexander_povetkin_31.gif?w=364&h=265

Its not hard to see Wlad in a state of panic and despair the moment he feels the savage power of a Foreman punch. He doesn't have the confidence of knowing his clinch will protect him and that will throw him off his game like it did vs Jennings in NYC.
There was only 6 months between Pulev and Jennings , but the strict ref in NY was the difference in making Wlad look like an ordinary level fighter.
The thing is , Foreman doesn't need a ref to take Wlads holding out of the picture , his brute strength and power will do it for him.

 

Dimitrenko was top 10 and Thompson, Chisora, Hughie and Ustinov were fringe.

Name me a world class fighter who Old Foreman beat while not hopelessly down on the cards.

 

Pulev had no punch. Foreman had sickening /frightening punch power.
Pulev didn't apply pressure , he pecked at guys from range. Foreman was one of the best ring cutter off'ers there ever was.

Pulev had zero inside game and no other punch outside a jab and right hand.

Foreman had a deceptive and an extremely dangerous uppercut. He had a vicious short left hook. Watch the Rodriguez stoppage. He could put smooth combinations together. He had a terrible body attack (for his opponents). Watch Burt Cooper get lifted clean off his feet.
No HW would be safe inside his blast range , but Wlad was perfectly safe inside Pulevs for 80% of every round

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^^Lol@Foreman just standing there allowing somebody grope and molest him like that !!!!

 

Pulev had terrible flaws. Old Foreman would knock him out

 

I agree that Foreman was slow but so was Peter.Wlad is a far better fighter than Schultz. But Schultz had a way better chin than Wlad.

 

Dimitrenko being ranked shows how poor the division was (and, to a great extent, still is). Thompson wasn't Top-10 and Ustinov wasn't even at the 'fringes'. In reality, Chisora or Hughie Fury are both vaguely on the fringes. Ustinov showed some promise as a puncher but had no success in moving in up in levels, at all. The rest weren't what I would call punchers.

To put this into perspective, if and when the Joshua/Pulev bout gets firmed up, I'll bet you, right now, that Pulev gets knocked out. At which point, you'll have your [genuine world class] fighter not named Wlad, who hurt Pulev.

LOL - What does this^ have to do with Foreman's chin? Was Old Foreman ever stopped, even by a world or an elite class fighter?

The bottom line is that Old Foreman has a better chin than Pulev. Foreman punches harder and over a shorter distance than Pulev, too. He probably has a better punch output, as well.

 

Wlad was the all time great for a decade.

Foreman was never able to make that claim.

 

Your reply here was clear as mud. One of them for Norton? Which one? And by saying restored it does that mean a reversal of your initial card? Clarity is needed. Do you think Norton beat Ali in the 3rd fight or not?

Draw for GGG vs Canelo 1, and Canelo UD plus Draw for Fury vs Wilder are odd scores the majority disagrees with. So yes you are on the minority of score cards, and by picking old Foreman over Wlad on a minority on the poll.

 

Comeback Foreman - beat a bunch of blown up cruiserweights and a former light heavy to be champ. At no point was he ever considered the best in the division.

He is too old, to open (always too open), to slow of foot and too slow of reflexes to trouble a man that Ruled the heavyweights for over a decade.

 

This is your issue: you challenged Pulev’s chin as if it were proven worse than Old Foreman’s. You asked for proof against world level heavies and I stated it. The only proof that his chin is dentable is provided by Wlad himself, which creates a logical dilemma because it suggests Old Foreman could be destined for a similar fate. And idgaf about a theorical match with Joshua and pushing 40 Pulev.

Pulev was/is pretty similar to Old Foreman in size, style, and level. I’d actually pick him to beat Old Foreman one account of being the more consistent operator.

 

But Glass City Cobra,

Don't you think Foreman feasted on many journeymen from 1987-1997 and that greatly inflated his KO %? Yes or no?

Take a look at the records of the opponents Foreman beat from 1987-1990 for a moment

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/90

Journeyman/ washed up fighters who Peter would have stopped too.

Now once Foreman stepped up in class which opponent in the top ten did he stop? I only see Moorer a chinny former light heavy. That's it. The rest when the distance, and he lost the Alex Stewart fight in 1992. Tyson, Holyfield and Moorer Ko'd Alex Stewart. Old Foreman takes him the distance and looks like a mess at the end of the fight. I think he lost that fight, but for the sake of business, the judges gave it to him. I ask you where is this power??!! Later on, others stopped Stewart who did not have a good chin at all!

Then Old Foreman takes Morrison, Savarese, Schultz, and Grimsley the distance! Why?Grimsley and Morrison were not remotely durable or defensive, and they gas easy yet you Old Foreman would think beat Wlad who is much harder to hit, smarter in the ring, and way more talented? This makes zero sense. Old Foreman lacked the skills, and power to beat non top ten guy natural heavyweights who were not journeyman. I just proved that to you. Maybe Morrison was in the top ten when he fought Foreman, but the fight was not close.

• Judge: Dalby Shirley 117-110
• Judge: Patricia Morse Jarman 117-110
• Judge: Jerry Roth 118-109

• Unofficial HBO Judge: Harold Lederman 116-111

 

Foreman does not have to hit Wlad all that flush to hurt him.I can see Foreman knocking Wlad down with a jab.