A primer: how 10-counts work (if a fighter is knocked down) and how they don't...

There should be standards or in-depth explanation for these aspects :

- the time when the 10-counts should start.

A very important aspect since it decides everything related to knock down since the reff is the only official who has the authority to decide it's a down or not. I've seen many times the reff start counting long after the boxer knocked down.

- the maximum of the time frame between the count.

In my honest opinion, 1.2 seconds between count is fair. It gives the boxer 10 seconds to get up and respond to the reff mandatory '8 counts'. More than that, I consider it to be deliberate delayed count.

 

Do you ever feel like you’re trying placate the usual brigade? Imo this is only talked about cause Fury didn’t follow the script,Wilders face lol when he gets up,I swear there was fear there as Wilder had punched himself out.
Being the forums casual I’m always learning something and had no idea the Ref has an assistant who starts the count and tells him it,does seem impossible how Fury saw stars,opened his peepers and got up with a second to spare,could easily of gone against him but that Ref was brilliant.

 

Sometimes I take YT comments for granite.

 

Lol he does,I’ve wondered if he’s trolling as he looks rock solid on his feet?
Wonder how many seconds Joshua used against Wlad,smart move to use what time you’ve got so long as you trust the Ref.

 

The fighter who goes down has 10 seconds to get up and be prepared to continue the fight. The knockdown timekeeper begins counting when the boxer goes down. The referee is supposed to pick up that timekeeper's count. Often they don't, but they are supposed to.

Most jurisdictions have a mandatory eight-count, so if you are dropped and get up the referee will continue to count to eight before resuming the fight.

The referee is supposed to look at the fighter while he's counting to judge the fighter's condition.

Once the fighter is up, the ref can ask him if he's okay while he's wiping off the gloves.

The problem with the Wilder-Fury fight isn't that Fury didn't get up at 10. The problem is the next 11 seconds when the referee waited for Fury to clear his head and answer questions and walk around until the referee was confident Fury was capable of continuing.

That may be a kind thing to do. But a fighter has 10 seconds to get up and get ready to fight. That's it.

That's why it's a 10 count. You have 10 seconds.

Not 10 seconds after you get up. Not walking a straight line and answering questions like a cop has pulled you over to take a DUI test.

You get 10 seconds to get up off the floor and show the ref you're ready to continue.

That's the 10 count.

Fury got 21 seconds. He goes down at the 09-second mark in this clip and the ref resumes the fight at the 30-second mark. That's too long.

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Go back in history to fights like Ali-Frazier. Ali goes down at the 29-second mark in the video, the ref gives him an eight count, the fight resumes at the 39-second mark.

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Go to fights this year, like Chisora-Takam. Takam goes down goes down at the 34-second mark in the video, the ref gives him an eight count, asks him a question, and the ref steps back for the fight resumes at the 44 or 45-second mark.

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This happens all the time.

WHAT DOESN'T HAPPEN is the ref counting, letting the fighter get up and then spending another 11 seconds (another FULL COUNT) before he resumes the fight after a knockdown.

If Tyson Fury could continue when he got up, the ref should've waived Wilder in 11 seconds BEFORE he did.

If Tyson Fury got up and just beat the 10 count, and the ref didn't think he could go on, the ref should've stopped it.

The ref is supposed to basically determine if the guy can go on as he's counting. That's why ref's stop fights before they even count to eight. They may get to four or five or six and just say to themselves this guy isn't going to be ready to go at 10 seconds and waive it off. We see that all the time, too.

That's why the ref stopped Mike Tyson when he got up at nine against Douglas. He didn't let Tyson walk around for another 11 seconds after he got up to prove he could keep going.

The ref doesn't BEGIN his determination whether the fighter once the guy is up. He's supposed to begin it while he's counting.

AS I said in another thread on this topic, 21 seconds after Takam hit the floor, the ref had already given him an eight count, asked him a question, waived Chisora in, Chisora scored another knockdown, the ref saw Chisora was in no shape to go on, the ref waived it off, people stormed the ring and Chisora climbed the corner post ... ALL IN 21 seconds.

After 21 seconds of Fury going down in the Wilder-Fury fight, the ref was just calling for the fight to resume.

That's TOO DAMN LONG by any measure.

The referee isn't supposed to WAIT UNTIL THE floored fighter is ready to continue.

If he can't go 10 seconds after he hit the floor, it's over.

If he can go, restart the fight.

If the guy gets up at the count of nine and three-quarter seconds, he'd better be ready to go the moment he stands. If the ref doesn't think he can go at that instant, it's over.

It's a 10-count.

Not a 21-count.

Not a "let me know when you're ready to fight again" count.

I don't know why it wasn't done that night other than the ref wanted to be absolutely sure, once Fury was up, that Tyson Fury was clear-headed before he resumed the fight.

But it's not the ref's job to wait until a guy is clear-headed.

Either he can go 10 seconds after he went down or he can't.

You don't give him another 10 or 11 seconds to regroup after you've already counted to 10 once.

 

Well, the referee is supposed to pick up the timekeeper's count. And the timekeeper has a stopwatch.

 

It's not an option. When they don't pick up the count, they've screwed up.

The knockdown timekeeper isn't there for laughs.

The ref is supposed to pick up his count if someone goes down.

 

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Fine by me, boxing should move forward with technology including automated counts and slow motion playback.

 

That time Dustin Nichols knocked Wilder flat and they not only gave Wilder ages to recover but also didn't count it as a KD is the purest example of #corruptioninboxing. Clear as day discrimination against fat people.

 

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I have no idea what I'm suppose to be seeing here, none, Wilder fanboys keep saying "long count" and I'm just not seeing a long count.

They can't possibly be complaining at the length of time Fury got before the referee restarted the action?

Surely not after Wilder was out on his feet against Ortiz and the referee in that fight took him to see a Dr at the start of the next round and gave him even more time to recover?

Because I'm getting that impression, they didn't like the length of time to restart the action but they can't really come out with that because of the rubbish they talked about Wilder getting a break in the Ortiz fight..

So it's a "long count" right? A Wilder fan please explain to me what I'm missing.

 

Jack Reiss was brilliant. People need to stop hating. Best moment of the year was his handling of the situation and the heart of Fury. Everyone was talking about it.

 

At about the third second a man stands up in front of the camera and obscures Fury. That's the moment they swapped Fury for another Fury who wasn't knocked out. There's plenty of time to do it in if you just pause the video. Most people don't get this.

... sorry just trying to reason like a Wilderette for a moment.

Personally I say the count should have been restarted at 9 because Wilder did not go to the neutral corner as per regulations.