Has Donnie Nietes done enough to be mentioned alongside Ricardo Lopez, Chocolatito, Calderon?

Absolutely!

 

Boxrec warrior.

Ioka had his first world title fight in his 7th pro bout and since then 16 of his 18 bouts have been world title fights at minimum,light fly,fly and super fly.

Your lack of knowledge of the lighter weight scene is why you think it’s not a signature win.
You just looked at 23-1 and judged him by that? WTF? You don’t recognise names on his resume because you don’t know the scene.Broner was only ever no 1 at lightweight and that was without beating his two nearest rivals Vazquez and Burns.And he has never been in the P4P shake up no matter what the ring compilers said.

 

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Its not bad. You're just a dumbass.

 

While that is true, the talent pool at straw and flyweight is half or even a third of what it is at welterweight, Ioka should still technically be undefeated. This was the second time he got robbed.

 

Nietes is a legend of the sports, a great athlete but let's be honest here: He should have lost his last two fights vs. Palicte and Ioka. It's a shame an ATG like him is ending his career with such gifts although he fought great and he wasn't the person who giving those awful scorecards i feel sorry for him.

 

Well its not like he's retiring yet and who knows he may get more decisive results in his next fights. Bouts like these while controversial isn't always a bad thing. Just look at ggg-canelo(1,2), pac vs marquez(1,2,3),rungvisai vs choco(1). Those fights by itself were strong candidates for foty its really just the decision that sucks. But really we can cry on and on about bogus decisions but years from now most people will really only care about what's official. Oh yeah btw i scored both fights of nietes against palicte and ioka as draws. Cheers.

 

I agree, good posting. Still i am sick of those decisions that are favoring one guy because of his name/reputation/background. I do not scream "robbery" in those cases but I mean 118-110 Nietes vs. Ioka and also 116-112 was awful, same for the Palicte fight. You can score it a draw for sure, both fights, but having Nietes 8-4 rounds up or even 10-2 is just pathetic.
I think Nietes is a great athlete and a role model but i can not feel happy for him here. First Palicte should have get the chance to fight Ioka AND Ioka should have won the title yesterday.

 

The fight was really close and it could've been a draw,sd for nietes,sd for ioka i would've been fine but that 118-110 is just pathetic. I REALLY wouldn't mind a rematch between these two just to make things clear.

 

clever retort. You're a dumbass. You sound like a 5 year old.

Which part of my argument did not make sense? Name me another ATG where his signature win is against a guy 23-1 with no major achievements himself.

At least someone like Broner can claim he is a 4 weight division champ, beat some marquee names. Even Khan is multi-division champ, beat some marquee names. Certainly better than a 23-1 who has beat no one of note.

It's not their fault, they can only beat the competition, but since their overall is far less than Featherweight and above, it should be rated accordingly.

 

First nietes is hof material but even i will agree that he's no ATG. If YOU REALLY are following the lower weights then he too have some marquee names that while not on the level of chocolatito's opponents were no jokers themselves. Also that 23-1 opponent is also a 3 div champ who also has beaten a who's who in the lower weights. If you're thinking of how ioka with a 23-1 record is considered a very good fighter its because he was fast tracked ala lomachenko. You know naoya inoue? Yeah that guy with a 17-0 record is also number 6 in the p4p rankings and himself a 2 div champ. But if you REALLY are following the lower weights then you know about that. Check the names not the numbers.

 

Boxrec lists 213 strawweights and 1983 welterweights.

 

That's weird. I thought there were 500-600 at straw and light fly with roughly 2100 at welter. Damn numbers are always fluctuating. Least fly is 755. That's not bad since most divisions are about 1,000 with only the marquee divisions lightweight to middle being substantially more.

 

What marquee name did Broner ever beat? Maliganaggi? Ponce de Leon? Please, his record isn't any better than Ioka or Nietes. Neither is Crawford's and Lomachenko's wouldn't be any better either except that he just beat Linares.

You are looking just at the boxrec numbers, and they don't tell the whole story. Lomachenko is 11-1. Rigondeaux is 17-1. Usyk is 16-0. Inoue is 17-0. A lot of great fighters retired with barely 30 fights. Kostya Tszyu 31-2, Yoko Gushiken 23-1, Jiro Watanabe 28-2, Andre Ward 32-0, Michael Spinks 31-1, etc.

 

What? Ioka is ten times better than anyone Broner ever beat - in fact he's better p4p than all but one person Broner ever fought, and there isn't much space between Mikey and Kazuto. YDKSAB in the lighter weights, apparently.

 

I feel like any quality strawweight needs to move up to fly. Straw is a warm up.