Jim Jeffries v Rocky Marciano 15rds

There's no magical cut off at 180 pounds I'm afraid. Size always has been and always will be an advantage.

Different era isn't as relevant to me. The rules aren't different enough, you're still trying to knock out the other man. Jeffries in any era would be a force.

I'm pretty sure did you put gloves on Jeffries and told him he had 15 rounds to knock out Marciano, he'd have a decent understanding of what to do. I feel he would get the job done.

 

For Jeffries to have a chance in any other era he needs to be born and raised in that era for anyone to truly know.

Under the circumstance of Jim being born and raised a fighter in Rockys era he genuinely could be a more physically impressive version of Marciano who has learned to fight and learned how to win at that time. That would be some fighter! This way Jim clearly has a real chance of being everything Rocky was but bigger. And this is a completely different situation that requires imagination rather than anything remotely legitimate.

To afford Jeff that kind of rearing takes considerable imagination. We don’t know if he could be that fighter or if he was only cut out to be exactly what it took to be the fighter he was at the time he fought. And this is the crux of the matter for each and every great champion put into any fantasy match. They are at the mercy of not having fought in those times.

The only logical way as I see it is look at who he was when he fought and put that man in the ring into a completely different era. How do we know bob Fitzsimmons and Tom Sharkey under old rules is the right prep to face the most dominant fighter of the 1950s?

A huge handicap both ways round.

 

Until about 1960, in world championship boxing, the best 190 pound fighter was good enough to beat anything else out there. So yes, after 180 there was a cut off point where being good enough was big enough.

Yes There were odd exceptions to the rule like Willard taking on a faded fighter or unusual specimen like Carnera who were simply too hard to beat (to a point) but otherwise bigger men were always around And losing to smaller men.

Historically giants just were not able to become quite the athlete required to become great enough to beat the best 190 pound boxers until modern advances in sport finally came along... way into the future. For decades boxing was not the sport for giants.

 

I think they each can win only in their own era.

 

Not with less than 18 fights which is when Jeffries beat them. Sharkey hit harder than anyone Marciano fought, and he was probably more dynamic in his prime. If needed he could be just as dirty, and IMO was the physically stronger man. An upset here, especially if he fought them 2x each less than 18 fights is probable.

 

No, I'm tired of correcting you.

I do it often, most recently when you criticized Jeffries for failing to floor Sharkey when he did it in both fights and had Sharkey reeling late in the second. See my point? Since you brought up the Corbett vs. McCoy fight, can you prove it was fake? As I predicted, a major duck as you can't / won't. Just like you said you know the purse in Jim Battling Johnson vs Jack Johnson. No, you do not! I can ask for it many times...you go silent.

You hate Jeffries and think Rocky lacks one punch power / pick on him when you get the chance. And your double standards are obvious. There really isn't much need to go further here as your goal in this thread is not to pick a side with reasoning, rather pile up mud. You won't prove me wrong on that point either, you will only expose yourself.

 

I really don’t know. Remember how much of a fish out of water mcgregor was against mayweather? Every fan of MMA tried to say that the striking part of MMA would be sufficient to beat a much smaller, retired boxer. It wasn’t. Just as mayweather taking on mcgregor at his own game would not adequately prepare Floyd.

I think horses for courses applies here. Boxing was a different sport then.

Against Sailor Tom, Marciano could break his hands in the first exchange then bleed to death trying to continue with bad hands. We don’t know. He would always have a punchers chance but Rocky would have to alter a lot of what he did and his first fight under those circumstances might be a tall order to learn on the job against the top men of the day.

 

In the end, who Marciano beat is quite bit more impressive than who Jeffries beat. In my book, he is the more proven entity. I just don't see Jeffries, with his skillset and approach, being able to handle Marciano.

 

What would Marciano have to do to fight in 1900? He would have to change the way he punched. He would have to completely change his stance. He would be a completely different fighter trying to learn on the job.

The way Rocky stood was to find a position from which he could draw a man to him who threw more than one punch at a time. It was a method designed to fight boxers of that time.

Rocky often stepped into a position to draw the lead with the incorrect weight on his back foot because he was poised to wing in full force blows with no regard for the kind of punch economy required for old style fist fighting. If he did that against the stlyle of fighter that fenced in the bare knuckle style he would be off balance and would be loading up too much.

Because Rocky used his momentum to come up out of a low position he would be required only to use the kinds of blows that damage the hands.

A hook or overhand blow, Rockys best two punches, were vastly ineffective under old time fist fighting. If you didn’t get a direct hit on the flat part of the jaw you would damage your hand on anything else like the forehead, the elbows or shoulders. Those kinds of blows were reserved for the finishing of a fight perhaps when the other man was defenceless. So what is Rocky going to do?

Is he going to maul in, without throwing punches until he’s close enough to throw lighter arm type blows using less leverage? Is he going to take the weight from his back foot, stand up straighter and throw straighter single blows one at a time like never before? He would struggle to adapt. Just as anyone would In a new sport.

It was a different sport back then. He’s going up against experts of another field.