Was the Hearns v Shuler blow out one of the greatest in middleweigt history?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Is this fight a little overlooked because Hearns started to slow down a little after this fight? His body attack in this fight was awesome and the finishing punch was deadly. Could Tommy have achieved more at middle if he had been able to maintain this kind of focus?
     
  2. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Slow down. Breathe. Maybe it was a exciting, impressive win over fighter with a bright future that was tragically cut short?
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    The form Hearns showed in that round was better than anything else he went on to produce, his body attack would have been too much for any middle at that time except Hagler and had he rematched Ray on this form he would have probably beaten him,by 1988 Tommy had lost his way if he had stayed focused like this he may have even been able to beat Nunn in `88 who won his first world title that year.
     
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  4. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Often the form a fighter displays is heavily influenced, if not dictated by the level of resistance and threat offered by their opponent. I understand it’s a fun exercise to take a performance in one fight and apply it to a different fight but the reality is that the real world is much less cut and dry.
     
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  5. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Where's Rod Serling?
     
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  6. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol: "There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man [except mark ant]."
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    :confused:
     
  8. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Hearns problem was he moved up and down too much after Hagler. Had he stayed at middleweight he could have let his body adjust fully to the weight and become as great there as he was at 147 and 154. He was just so anxious to win at 175 and then 160 if he did not get Hagler, then he wanted the titles. I would have liked to see how Hearns would have done had he decided to stay at middleweight after this fight and fight there a few years without moving around.
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Also by the time he got his rematch v Leonard his body was less defined.
     
  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    One of the most underrated, maybe
     
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  11. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well he didn't look as good against Ray in the rematch no, but
    I thought he looked well against Ray, but not like he did against Shuler. He looked good against Shuler. I thought moving down and fighting Medal was a mistake after looking solid at middleweight finally. It was irresponsible to move back down. To me, Hearns was irresponsible, but he was so great he still managed to win. I mean moving down to 154 in June of 1986, then to middle in October 1986 for Dewitt, then up to 175 in March 87 for Andries, then back down for Roldan at middleweight. I mean how dumb. Had he been solid at middleweight he would have beaten Barkley originally in my mind.
     
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  12. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well Pee there was that slight problem of a tapestry made jaw and fragile constitution. At middleweight his career shows him a bit above a sloppy club fighter. Gift decisions. Wobbly all the time. You really had to be seen as a glass man for Leonard to pick you after 1982. As a matter of fact M Night Sayamanomanamnuman has a movie coming out this month called "Mr. Glass". I thought is was Hearns bio but it isn't. No Tommy never should have allowed Leonard to chase him out of the Welters and could of regained the throne and been a great champion.
     
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  13. Doppleganger

    Doppleganger Southside Slugger Full Member

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    Well Steward is on record by saying that Tommy probably reached his peak in the Shuler fight. It was an awesome performance with some wicked body shots and that last overhand right cross. Tommy's left hook was definitely underrated and when he turned it in to body or head he nailed people - he badly hurt Virgil Hill with left hands in their fight for example.

    So yeah, it is overlooked for sure.
     
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  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    P4P I`d say Khan`s chin is far worse than Tommy`s was, anothe forum user stated Hearns didn`t have a weak chin, it was his legs that were weak and that after he built them up when fighting Hill and Barkley he took shots much better, if you look at the second Barkley fight, he took a lot of punishment, even getting dropped, but in their first fight was knocked flat by one punch.
     
  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This was a great performance from Tommy, and it could be that his subsequent move up to LHW and then back down to MW ended his prime. But it's almost impossible to say. The difference for me when seeing him against Barkley, Roldan and Kinchen is not that he looks less sharp but that they kept coming whereas Schuler folded almost instantly. And the simple fact is that Tommy always struggled when his best punches weren't enough to stop his opponents in their tracks.
     
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