Breaking Down Alexis Arguello

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    The ****?

    You think Arguello belonged at middleweight/light-heavyweight?
     
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  2. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One of the sweetest righthands ever-straight and precise. I dont think i ever saw him throw a wild punch .
    A pleasure to watch.
    Even past his best the way he timed Costello with the righthand was beauty.
     
  3. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I think he had the frame of a middleweight, and the musculature too. I think Bob Foster should have been a heavyweight, Hearns a light heavyweight, and Saddler a welter.
     
  4. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks to who ever bumped this thread, been over two years since I wrote this one. Glad ya'll like it.
     
  5. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nah they're just tall and skinny with thin legs. I'm 6'4" 175lbs. I am no kind of goddamn heavyweight.
     
  6. McGrain

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    ...and what's wrong with them fighting at the weight they fit?

    Where they excelled?

    Where they proved themselves to be GOAT candidates?

    I have to tell you, I find this line of argument utterly bizarre. Fighters now are gaining 20, 25lbs, more after weigh ins, but you wants Sandy Saddler, who made weight on the same day, to move up in weight class.


    Takes all sort I guess.

    Foster was a miserable failure at HW btw.
     
  7. Sphillips

    Sphillips Active Member Full Member

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    It’s a daft argument you are using here.

    To try to diminish a fighters record at a weight because of their size,in the era of same day weigh ins?

    Should we applaud guys who move up to get obliterated? And everybody weighs differently.There is no hard and fast rule on height,or muscle,or leg size or any of that nonsense.
     
  8. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Because they had ridiculous advantages and it was as unfair as having a kid fight an adult or a man fight a woman. It showcased one of the glaring flaws of the weightclass system. It's set up to make sure that things are fair and so people are all fighting guys roughly their own size. What about Hearns vs Duran or Cuevas looks fair to you? What ****ing chance did Dick Tiger realistically have against Bob Foster?
     
  9. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Oh, then you are the same size as Guillermo Jones. Tell me, do you think he was more suited to being a welterweight where he spent his early twenties or a heavyweight where he is now?
     
  10. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Haven't watched him. But I'll take a stab at what you are getting at. You make the weight class where you feel you are most effective. For many fighters that means the lowest weight possible while still being able to keep your cardio. Some guys I'm assuming like Jones or say Anthony Johnson from MMA will damn near kill themselves cutting weight. You trade comfort and cardio for size and strength. So if you can't blow out the smaller guys quick your cardio tanks and you look awful.

    Johnson was a seriously built 6'2" who walked around at about 220lbs. He'd cut massive amounts of weight to make 170. http://www4.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20081212080055_2455b.JPG He had brutal power but if you last the first 5 mintues his cardio tanked. He was a top 10 MMA welter but he'd miss weight and turn in some bad performance. He got cut from the UFC for missing weight so often. Then he went to a smaller promotion said screw it and fought at heavyweight, eventually settling at 205 http://www.sherdog.com/image_crop/200/300/_images/fighter/20140119072357_anthony_johnson.JPG where he would have been champion if not for 2 MMA GOATS in Jones and Cormier.

    The lowest I've personally ever cut was to 163 for a grappling tournament. Felt good if irritable. I made a weight class that made sense for me. I can't speak for anybody else. I don't know how their body feels.
     
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  11. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We didn't know until we did. Bad style match ups happen. But when Duran takes out Barkley, when Tyson wrecks a generation of 6'4" Ali impersonators, when Dwight Muhammad Qawi walks down everybody he ever fought, even Old Foreman for as long as he could sustain it, those looked fair. Those brutal Hearns KO's were because Hearns was a horrific style match up for those guys, yes dimensions played a role. They always do. But if Hearns or Foster weren't lights out punchers as well as being big and tall those would have been very different fights.
     
  12. Chuck Norris

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    I'm I the only one who thinks the circumstances behind Arguello's death were iffy?
     
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  13. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    nope.
     
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  14. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    You're calling that a bad style match up? Their style had **** all to do with it. It was having a foot of reach on their opponents and being able to hit them from across the ring with nothing coming back that decided those bouts before a punch was ever thrown. They had about as much legitimacy as that Mayweather farce the other day. Does this look like a bad style match up? Or does it look like a huge guy beating up a little guy?
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    Duran, Tyson, Qawi, Pacquiao, Armstrong, Walker overcoming those humongous size disadvantages is some of the most heroic boxing of all time. Those guys should get all the credit they usually do plus all the credit these size cheats get on top of it.

    Hearns wasn't a bad style match up for anybody. Put him against guys nearer his own size (Leonard, Hagler, Barkley) and they often ****ed him up. Even Kinchen had him on ***** street.

    Are Arguello, Saddler, Hearns, and Foster all time great punchers, or do they just punch average for the division they should be in? At welterweight Hearns was a monster, at middleweight he was tough, but at light heavyweight he was nothing special. Ditto for Foster. Whenever he fought someone his own size they laughed at his power and slapped him around.
     
  15. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    It was me my man. I PM'd Rumsfeld to move this over to classic but have received no response so far.