Jim Jeffries v Rocky Marciano 15rds

Punching with bare knuckles is a very risky business. In self defence, during my youth I’ve broken fingers and metacarpals on both hands when punching like a boxer without gloves on.

If you watch travlers fighting bare knuckle on YouTube (if you can bare it) those guys know what their doing when it comes to hitting without gloves. That’s why they punch Much more sparingly and mostly using straight, single chopping blows. They use at least 20% less leverage.

but I never broke anything when gloved and taped up in competition. Actually I sprained my thumbs before with wrapped hands too. I guess nobody can use their hands as a weapon in competition or self defence without paying a price.

 

I pick Jeffries in both eras.

 

Both eras? Well I just can’t see it. I really don’t see any evidence to support that. Not in a relevant boxing sense. I don’t see Marciano losing to George Chuvalo just because he was heavier. And because we can’t know Jeffries was ever any better at modern boxing than chuvalo It’s screams to me that it is infinitely more logical to pick Rocky in his own era.

But you are welcome to your opinion all the same.

 

There's not really any evidence to support any fantasy fight, because by definition they haven't happened.

I wouldn't expect Rocky to lose to Chuvalo and I wouldn't expect Hagler to lose to Fonfara.

We know Rocky can beat a SHW sized fighter because he beat Shkor who was a borderline top 20 type. With every step up in class we have to extend our leap of faith. I'd happily pick Marciano against Audley Harrison for instance. But Jeffries gets my vote here.

 

Which actually fights of his did he show this agility and defensiveness you speak. I don't care about sparring or training videos... I'm asking for which fights of his

 

Lol

 

Why don't you read Fitz vs Jeffries the title in 1899? Ringside reports say Jeffries moved like a lightweight and ducked some of Fitz punches. Good enough for you?

Or take Jeffries v.s Kennedy. Ruthin who was ringside was simply astounded by Jeffries speed and power. There are numerous testimonials.

If that's not good enough for you, you might as well say Greb was a plodder because there was no film to prove otherwise.

Jeffries would have a footwork and hand speed advantage over Marciano.

Your 100% wrong if you don't think Jeffries doesn't show good speed, defensive reflexes, and agility in the filmed sparring session.

 

Do you pick Hagler over someone like Philidelphia Jack O'Brian or Tommy Burns though?

 

It wouldn't be much of a debate though. Jeffries does boast the chin to hold up to Rocky's superior power, but I'm not sure he's going to be able to fight 12 hard 3 minute rounds without much clinching inbetween for breathers and still stand up to the barrage of 70/80/90 punches Rocky was able to produce in the championship rounds. I was always marvelled at his last round against Charles in their first fight, he barely stopped punching for the whole round.

 

Absolutely not.

 

That's cool. Both eras? Not giving Jack or Tommy time to adapt, literally just taking the fighters as they were in the ring.

 

Philadelphia Jack O’Brian drew with 42 pound heavier Jack Johnson who beat Jim Jeffries. But hagler is going to beat O’Brian at his own game under old time rules? When did hagler give away 42lb and get a draw in modern boxing?

Likewise, how is O’Brian beating hagler at modern boxing without the chance to adapt?

 

I really don’t know. Based on footage I pick Rocky. Jeffries does have a stellar resume though, and also has all the physical advantages. If we pick Rocky it really is an indictment on the entire era Jeffries fought in. You basically have to admit the sport evolved.
Jeffries was big and tough and came forward - Rocky didn’t face guys like that but Rocky has more technique and an engine that didn’t stop, I would guess and that’s all it is for me, that Rocky would grind him down late. Jeffries I would grant due to his size and reputation a punchers chance maybe get rocky with that hook to the body or something.

 

I'm gonna assume you didn't read the post you quoted.