Jim Jeffries v Rocky Marciano 15rds

I don't rank anyone in terms of greatness of legacy or historical sense any more so you're probably right there.

It might be unfair, but that Louis, the one from 50-51, would he really break into the top ten today? That level of fighter today is Brezeale/Pulev/Chisora.

Would we expect the old Joe Louis to beat those 3 men?

 

Thanks for great knowledge McVEY. I know Im big RING magazine fan (earlier years) Nat Fleischer seen em all ranks Jeff #2 all time. But someone brought up good point maybe Nat a little too strong for oldies,I really knont know

 

There are disputes on these heights, but taking 6' 1.5" as his height,

Louis was taller than:

Sullivan, Corbett, Fitzsimmons, Jeffries, Hart, Burns, Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney, Schmeling, Sharkey, Charles, Walcott, Marciano, Patterson, Johansson, and Liston

Louis was considerably shorter than Willard & Carnera, about an inch shorter than Baer, and perhaps marginally shorter (although bigger overall) than Braddock.

That is 80 years of heavyweight boxing.

If you pushed it into the seventies Louis would be shorter than Ali but taller than Frazier, and that covers 90 years.

So overall Louis is taller than 17 champions, shorter than 3, and perhaps shorter than a 4th from 1882 to 1962. So clearly he was a big heavyweight champion for that era.

*also, I don't think anyone would get very excited about any of the four taller champions (Willard, Carnera, Baer, Braddock) as being anywhere near ranking as the top champions of this period.

So I think it is a legit argument that Louis was the biggest great fighter of the entire 1880's to 1960's era.

 

"Brezeale/Pulev/Chisora"

"Would we expect the old Joe Louis to beat those 3 men?"

???? And what is the relevance to Jeffries? Johnson aside, what opponent of Jeffries do you favor over those men? I certainly can't think of anyone.

I wouldn't even favor Jeff himself against those three under modern rules. A young Louis would be a different matter.

 

And I am just pointing out that this height made Louis a big man in that era.

 

It's relevant because I said Old Louis would be a fringe contender and you said that's unfair.

I'd favour Jeffries against all 3, but as we've established I rank him as better than you do.

 

Off tangent, Corbett vs McCoy fight write up.

" Keen judges of the game who saw to-nighis fight declare that it was the cleverest exhibition ever witnessed in the ring "

" Corbett relentlessly showered lefts and rights, which straightened McCoy up. and then Jim swung a left which crashed into McCoy's ¦body. McCoy doubled up and in doing so held Corbett's left glove with his right arm. Corbett then drove McCoy away from him with a right over the heart, end as the Kid went back staggering Jim leaped after him landing another left smash on the same spot, and the Kid dropped to the floor. "

" Referee White counted off the ominous ten seconds. By an almost superhuman effort, McCoy stood up after he had been counted out, but he was dazed and the referee had to put him toward his corner, where his seconds took him in hand "

Note McCoy still dazed. This does not sound like a fixed fight to me.

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" Both men entered the ring in superb 'condition. McCoy was heavier by several pounds than in any previous fight. He said himself that he never felt better in his life and that he was never so fit as he was for this contest. His appearance in the ring before the fight and during tiie first three rounds bore out all that McCoy had said about himself. "

My guess is McCoy was over 170 for Corbett. Possibly over 175

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" I dont say the fight was defintiely fixed but, given the talk before and after, I entertain the idea that it might have been. Corbett's wife said the fight was rehearsed in their living room. - McVey."

LOL, Make up your mind! Oh it was Corbett's X wife. I doubt she was at the fight

Ten and out was written in 1947. A long time after the fight, prove to me Alexander Johnston was there. When was he born?

I posted a write up, does not read like a fix at all.