Joe Louis vs modern giants: settling tbe debate.

Thoughts?

 

We will never know because we will never see Louis in the ring with today's fighters. My guess is he would struggle, not just because of his size but also because of his feet.

 

Debate settled!

Now, can we move on?

 

Are you sick today lol? Feel better if so.

 

Louis destroys the modern heavyweight division, I thought this was common knowledge

 

Nailed it. Generally speaking two guys w great skills competing over 180 I’d think the bigger guy wins think Holyfield Bowe...but occasionally there are men that aren’t normal that have amazing chins great strength for their size or superior speed and timing to compensate. And no it’s not just one fighter (serious Marciano complex in BF24 lol) men that fit that mold Dempsey, Langford, Moore, Moorer, Spinx, Byrd, Charles, RJJ, Tooney, Marciano, Satterfield, Patterson Holyfield these men all have very different skill sets and many had found great success beating much bigger men and often. Some of the SHW fans seem to think when we or I would say some men can compete they think people are saying everyone can. As a general rule bigger guy w same skill set will win but occasionally you have special fighters that come up that defy logic. Curious to see Usyk in action.

 

GCC had written, "Similarly, if the claim is that boxing is way more advanced now and that modern super heavies are unique because they are more skilled than the giants of the past, but at the same time you acknowledge no one in the modern era had the skill of joe louis..."

Who "acknowledges" that Joe Louis was more skilled than anyone in the modern era? Joe Louis was more skilled than his contemporaries but he is not more skilled than the boxers who came after him. One would have to believe that people are stupid if they couldn't watch Joe Louis on film, take the good, discard the bad and make better fighters as time moved on.

 

What does a 'skills' comparison between Lennox Lewis and Buddy Baer look like?

 

well as most of the Giants, not all of them, but MOST are second rate fighters,

Louis would spark the lot of them... but that is NOT the Question. man when are you people going to just accept and talk sensible?

It's NOT can Jeffries, Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Ali, Tyson or ANY other HW Smaller than 6'4" Stop, Beat or Destroy them.

it's can they get near them enough to do so???

the BEST of the Giants will use their Height, REACH and Spoiling Hugging tactics and win a s hit fight. the Lesser of the Giants would get beat by the Best & Top Normal sized HW's.

but it gets stupid and tiring that these same arguments are constantly made, with very few people willing to admit that the two ARE Different Animals... they are GIANTS and NOT HW's... too hard to get near, but still not better boxers or fighters overall.

I mean we all love Fury and my God he has much improved but he is at best a Fringe Contender among NORMAL Sized HW's boxing wise!!!

 

His feet looked ok against Baer.

 

This probably requires a more specific context. There are plenty of post-war boxers that haven't demonstrated anything near the skill-level of Joe Louis.

This too hinges on potential talents being able to accurately comprehend, translate "the good" and "the bad"; manifest the former; rid themselves or suppress the latter, whilst not letting any of their own inherent flaws interfere with either process.

 

Are You serious? Even the most hardcore modernists acknowledge the skills of joe louis even when they think he'd be too small to compete.

By all means list some modern guys you think have better technique and form than louis. And by modern i mean the last 15 years, not guys from the 80's.

 

Obviously Lennox is more skilled than buddy.

The point is, some people dismiss guys like Baer when comparing them to modern shws because of baer's alleged lack of skill. Well, explain how baer did so well against a technically sound master boxer louis in their first fight if hes just a big dumb plodding oaf with no skill who relies on size and raw talent? If Baer is able to do so well against a guy people consider the #1 or #2 ATG hw, why would he suddenly becone a bum or a tomato can if he had to fight modern guys?

Again, the point of this discussion is not to claim guys like buddy baer or fred fulton were equal to lennox lewis in skill.

 

So the issue to you is that you dont think these guys wouod be able to overcome the reach and get past the jabs of modern super heavies?

How did 6'2 Samuel peter and 6'3 lamont brewster get past Wladmir klitschko's jab and drop him multiple times? Are Peter and brewster more skilled than joe louis?

How did 6'2 hasim rahman and 6'2 oliver McCall ko lennix Lewis? Wouldn't they have to overcome the reach advantage to do that?

How did 6'2 evander holyfield win a decision over 6'5 Riddick bowe? Was he sucking off the judges?

How did 6'2 Alexander povetkin get past anthony joshuas jab and give him a nose bleed? Is he more skilled than joe louis?

Louis was 6'2 btw.

 

And Baer is comparable to the likes of AJ, WIlder or Fury? Alrighty then.......