Joe Louis vs modern giants: settling tbe debate.

Come on then what did Louis do with it against Schmeling?

 

Agreed. Unfortunately, there's at least one poster, who thinks that a knee-wobble in one moment of one round (in a fight Louis actually went on to win) trumps all other available evidence that Louis had a solid enough chin.

I think after taking dozens of big punches off Schmeling, before succumbing; then going on to an unbeaten run of over 30 bouts, which includes winning the world title and defending it 25 times, qualifies as doing something with that Schmeling (I) experience.

 

It's a fairly straightforward process to come to that reasonable conclusion, I'd say.

 

Was it fine enough to take shots from AJ or Wilder, not at all IMO.

Did he have the legs to evade their shots, highly unlikely.

Would he get off first and get them out of there before they got to him, possible but still very unlikely.

 

You've been harping on about Conn. He stopped Conn. Louis was pre peak against Schmeling and did get revenge albeit against an aging Schmeling.

It was you who stated "You still don't get it, Clay was developing still as an adult when he was dropped by Cooper. HW's tend to take a while to develop you know or has that gone straight over your head?"

You had no idea Louis was just 8 months older than Ali. Doesn't he get the chance to develop as an adult?

 

No, Liston didn't land a shot as hard as Cooper landed on Clay. Are you stating he did? If so show me the punch.

And yes Ali was still developing physically when he fought Banks, only a moron would deny this. The Banks bout was in 1962 so let's try and deal with facts here not what's in that dense head of yours.

Speaking of fighting, I've knocked bigger out than you to get to a fight.

 

So Ali was fully developed when he fought Banks in 62 yeah which was your original point?

Do you want me to come slap that stupidity out of you?

 

This thread has become hard to watch.

A bit like the one sided battering Briggs received against Vitali.

 

Louis was no angel in the ring. As he was fading out he landed a mean low blow on Max Schmeling in their first fight. If a fighter lands a foul under desepreiate circumstances you have to wonder if the foul was intentional or not. He also gave Schmeling a mean kidney shot in the rematch.

Max Baer didn't land much on Louis. It was mostly a one-way fight, and Baer, if memory serves, had to be pushed out of his dressing room.

The question to me is not only would Wlad, Lewis, and Joshua outbox Louis. They would, its could Louis take their power shots which were far more accurate and set up over the likes of Max Baer, who had a pretty lame jab, and swinging Tony Galento. Louis being handicapped in height and reach is problematic, especially since his footwork wasn't very fast or good and the modern skilled giants had better footwork in comparison to Galento and Baer.

Joe Louis has a puncher's chance for sure, but I don't think his defense or chin is good enough outside of his puncher's chance.

 

1) You brought up Banks as an example of Clay being glass chinned not me you cretin.

2) I stated he was still maturing at that point, he was less than 200lb.

3) I'll say it again, yes I do think Ali was still physically maturing in the first Cooper bout but that's not the point. Liston never caught Ali like Cooper did so how the fcuk can we make a comparison you imbecile?

3) You are a sandwich short of a picnic.