Joe Louis vs modern giants: settling tbe debate.

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  1. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You disagreed with my point about size being a massive factor in AJ beating Louis if they did ever meet.

    Of course that would be a massive factor in the outcome if AJ did win, you think an AJ the same size of Louis would have the same chance of the real AJ?
     
  2. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1) You was the one who brought up the Banks knockdown, do you deny this?

    2) So you agree that Ali wasn't fully mature when he was dropped by Banks?

    3) No, I'm saying Cooper caught Ali with a better shot than Liston ever did.

    4) You're bringing me down to your moronic level.
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    Size isn't a massive factor. As I said Louis has never lost a fight against someone who is too big. Joshua has never won a fight by being too big. The fight comes down to a stylistic analysis.

    Why do you keep playing this game where you try to change a fighters dimensions? That would change everything about who the fighter is. Why not ask if a feather fisted Joshua has the same chance?

    You're size argument is flawed because even you don't buy into it, if you did you would pick Jarrell Miller to beat all three.

    So please stop making things up and trying to straw man everyone because clearly you're losing track of what you're saying and what's being said to you.
     
  4. Wass1985

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    Well seeing as though Louis is brown bread the word likely will have to do as we will never find out.
     
  5. lufcrazy

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    Again interesting use of the word likely.
     
  6. Wass1985

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    Of course size is a massive factor! How crazy are you to even try and deny this!

    Physical tools go hand-in-hand with natural ability and the skills gained under training.

    You are hinting that I'm stating size is the only thing needed to beat a smaller man, I'm not saying that at all but size does matters in the fight game plain and simple.
     
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  7. Wass1985

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    No but it will probably enable him to take more punishment than he could if he became anorexic and weighed 200lb.......
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    If you can give a stylistic reason why you believe Wilder is likely to KO Louis, without referencing his size, feel free.

    The point is in these matchups, it isn't about who is bigger. It is about who is better.

    If you believe Wilder is better than Louis, argue your case.
     
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  9. lufcrazy

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    How can they possibly overcome the 100 pound weight disadvantage?
     
  10. Wass1985

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    I did just that a couple of posts ago.

    And how can you not mention size? That's just silly. Don't height and reach matter now as well as weight?

    Let's just have an open weight class I say, Lomachenko will beat AJ, he has the style to defeat him.
     
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  11. Wass1985

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    I told you yesterday.
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    I just cannot take you seriously any more. I see nothing in the quoted post that even begins to detail how Wilder will beat Louis based in a stylistic analysis.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    AJ outweighs Loma by 100 pound and you're happily picturing him walking right through Loma and destroying him. Miller outweighs AJ by 100 pound and you're not happily picturing him walking right through AJ and destroying him.

    Seems legit.
     
  14. Wass1985

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    I did like I said earlier but I'll do it again just for you.

    Joe Louis did not have the footwork to get in range and avoid getting tagged by Wilder nor did he have the chin to cope with being hit by him.

    Louis was a plodding stalker, how will he avoid that right hand straight down the pipe?
     
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  15. Glass City Cobra

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    This was my original post where I mentioned banks

    Nowhere in my post was i claiming that Ali had a glass jaw when he fought banks. It was a rhetorical question in response to you saying that louis being wobbled by conn is proof he had a glass jaw. I asked you if you thought Ali had a glass and to explain how he was dropped by banks and cooper but later was able to take shots from Liston, foreman, etc. Then you said:

    Thats how this whole thing started. Youve dug your own grave and are too stupid or too stubborn to realize it. You LITERALLY said Ali was weak and still growing and that is the reason banks and cooper dropped him, YOUR words, not mine. Its too late to take it back.

    So if according to you ali was a glass jawed weakling and still growing in 62 and 63 when he fought Cooper and banks, then liston must have been a horrible boxer or he didnt hit as hard as cooper or banks! Either that, or you honestly believe Ali was fully developed and had a better jaw in the 8 months in between cooper and Liston. Take your pick.

    This is a loaded question. You seem to be implying that weight=durability. Ali gaining a couple lbs between 62 and 64 wouldn't make him go from being weak and glass jawed to iron chinned.

    What I believe is Ali's defensive and evasive skills improved and he matured as a professional. Against cooper he did not take his opponent serious and his stance left him open to left hooks. It's that simple. Youre the one making things needlessly complicated and drawing illogical conclusions.

    Then you must think cooper was a better boxer than Liston! Liston fought Ali TWICE and never had him hurt like cooper or banks did! Explain!

    You could never be on my level in any walk of life.
     
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