Joe Louis vs modern giants: settling tbe debate.

Frail weakling, it was tongue in cheek you pudding with some truth to it.

No I don't I think Ali was physically matured when he was dropped by Banks, do you?

Again you bring Ali up as an example, you're forgetting the little facts that Ali got up from both knockdowns and won the fights.

Did Louis get up and win the bout in the first Schmeling fight? I'd love to see your answer sometime soon.

 

If Louis wants to add weight for a fight, let him. If you feel a lighter version of Louis has a better chance of winning go with that.

I feel Toney was a better fighter at 160 but for some reason he felt he had to be 230 in his biggest HW fights.

 

That's not my issue.

My issue is when someone says something like "Louis is a better fighter but he's giving away too much weight to win here" if weight is the only argument, let him gain it.

When Tiger fought at LHW he stopped being 160 cos he felt he could gain some weight and still be as good as he was.

If you think Louis is at his best at 213 and wouldn't be any better at a higher weight, go with that version. If you think he could add 7 pounds and still be as good, let him.

 

KO % doesn't mean jack sh1t when comparing which of two fighters hit harder.

It is frankly more an indicator of who fought the most tomato cans of the two!

Look I am impressed with Wilder's power, but we also need to be realistic.

I think that Wilder has only stopped one fighter who was currently ranked in the top ten at the moment.

It is far too early to talk about him being better than Baer as a puncher, if indeed such a category has ever existed.

 

Not in the same league power wise? Well they may have more power and some might even argue with that but irregardless of that the greater and most devastating puncher of the 3 is Louis. His punch quality and technique is way beyond both.

 

Let's look at reality. Mikey Garcia is soon going to be fighting Errol Spence. Do you think he will still be 135 or do you think he will add some weight?

 

Seeing as though virtually every fighter adds weight when moving up to fight at HW then I imagine it's for a reason or are you trying to say they were all wrong?

 

So you believe Toney would have been as competitive at HW at 160 as he was at 230?

 

What a strange post to reply with. Very strange.

 

When did I ever say that?

 

He would have been a damn sight better nearer 190, I have no trouble saying that!

 

You just said you felt Toney was a better fighter at 160 yet felt he had to bulk up to 230 for most of his HW bouts?

So do you think 160lb Toney would have been more competitive at HW than the 230lb version?

 

Oh ok, so those extra 30lbs would have benefited him then? Just as I thought.

 

Without doubt Toney was a better MW than he was a HW. But no I don't think he'd have been more competitive without gaining any weight.

Honestly you need to stop trying to read between the lines or trying to deduce what's being implied. Take posts at face value.

I said Toney was a better fighter at 160 and he was.

 

Well of course he was a better MW than he was a HW, that is pretty clear.