Loma is an ATG no doubt, BUT to me more on the levels of JMM/MAB/Morales then Pac/Floyd...

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  1. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Loma is more of a natural 135 than Rigo was a natural 122. Rigo was a tiny 122. So that excuse doesn't work. That fight meant absolutely nothing. Literally nothing and Loma knew it too. Loma wasn't being modest when he said that, he was just being truthful.
     
  2. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Rigo would still destroy LSC, Mares, and Frampton.
     
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  3. LeftRightDownThePipe

    LeftRightDownThePipe Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    The vast majority (Those couple of “idiots”) disagree with you and other dorks like you. See most people actually have memories and are not dumber than rocks there ellerbe so they aren’t operating like you would think ;) They actually remember Rigo talking nonstop **** towards Loma for MONTHS asking for that fight at 130. Yes really! They know Rigo wrote a check that he couldn’t cash and WAS NOT forced to move up. He basically cyber bullied his way into an ass whooping.

    Loma RELUCTANTLY took that fight knowing Rigo wasn’t at his natural weight and also knowing there would be little morons like yourself that would badmouth the win. But Loma took care of business and basically sent the little **** into hiding :) DEAL WITH IT

    And you want to talk about fights that “Meant Absolutely Nothing” check your hero Mayweathers last two. Except that ***** wasn’t modest enough to admit to it. Couldn’t admit to ACTUAL meaningless fights. But no surprise there. Lol Goes to show the difference in integrity and class between Loma and Floyd doesn’t it? ;)
     
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  4. The Professor

    The Professor Socialist Ring Leader Staff Member

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    The abysmally low standards of the boxing HOF are not the subject of discussion here, Lomanchenko's status are an ATG is. And he indisputably isn't.
     
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  5. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Hard to actually respect the boxing/nba hall of fame, it seems like almost everyone gets in. NFL/MLB are different, it's super super hard to get into those hofs (You really have to be truly great).
     
  6. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    It just proved that Loma would beat him. Only way Rigo was ever going to be competitive with Loma was if Loma physically drained himself.
    People wanted to know what would happen if they fought and we saw what happened.

    Two two time Olympic Gold medalists met in the ring, and the bigger man dominated the older, smaller man. You can make a ton of excuses for Rigo and discredit the fight all you want, but it was still a significant fight.
     
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  7. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Look at his resume and the fights he had. He got 4 Fight of The Year awards under his belt. Add to that a ton more wars, some solid upsets and a few championship belts, and you can see why he got voted in.
    One of the biggest fan favorites there ever was.
     
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  8. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mikey Garcia is around the same level as the Mexican trio p4p in terms of skills. He should have fought him and that would have answered a lot of questions.

    Tbh I still think that p4p the trio is ahead of Mikey h2h. They all just had a lot more variety rather than just a very basic 1-2. But Mikey does the fundamentals extremely well.
     
  9. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Take Pac out of his resume and it’s actually pretty shallow. Always thought he fought above his level when it came to Pac. It shows when he fought an old Mab and some people had Mab winning, Bradley beating him, Chris John beating him, war with Juan Diaz. He’s just not that dominant. Still great, his fights with Pac alone makes him great but imo he is on the level of man and morales. In fact you could say morales definitely had a better resume as he has wins over a prime Mab and Pac.
     
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  10. BCS8

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    Have to agree with this.

    Rigo was the one begging for the fight, and his fans were the ones predicting that he would expose Loma. Their was no doubt in the minds of sme that Rigondeux was much better than Loma.

    Would it have meant more if Rigo had been bigger and younger? Yes, of course. But as much as I find Rigo's style boring, he was undeniably effective with it and if Loma had had chinks in his armour Rigo might well have exposed them, smaller or not. He didn't.

    I for one am looking forward to Floyd's next money grab. I want to see for how long his dumb fans keep coughing up to see him crush debut boxers. Should be interesting.
     
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  11. BCS8

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    I agree Loma isn't an ATG. I can't think of any fighter in history that could be an ATG with only 12 fights. But I think he might well have the skills to be an ATG and - assuming he keeps doing what he is doing - after say 24 fights against this level of opposition he might be.
     
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  12. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    If you take the losses out of the equation and just look at the victories, then Salido did more than Loma.
     
  13. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I don't remember any smack talk. I'm not interested in that lame bull****. I felt embarrassed for Loma that he would even take a fight against an opponent that much smaller and older; so I never took it any more seriously than Floyd's shameful exhibitions.
     
  14. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    It wasn't significant unless you do violent mutilation to the meaning of words.
     
  15. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Excuses or facts? Loma fought an inactive nearly 40 year old man who had not fought a meaningful fight since 2013 while jumping 2 weight classes. That fight proved absolutely nothing besides the fact that jumping 2 weight classes is a suicide mission.