Another "Best Pound for Pound" viewpoint

If everyone was the same size is too hard to picture imo.

I just base it on who's the best fighting machine.

 

So who's the best fighter, Lomachenko or Fury?

 

It's funny how enlightened this forum thinks it is, when I fairly regularly see users base their opinions on totally made up bull****.

 

Why do you pretend not to understand, what my point is... that not a single one of Callis' top-10 fighters have fought in recent times. You don't think it's strange, that he completely ignores boxers who came after Robinson... and that in his top-5 we find two boxers he has never seen, who retired more than 120 years ago? You don't find that strange at all?

 

No, especially considering he says he thinks fighters who succeeded under multiple rulesets should be ranked higher.

He obviously just highly rates that era as lots of people do with particular eras.

Most of us have Greb in our top 5, and we've never seen him either.

 

The difference with Greb is, that he has this amazing record, that justifies giving him a high ranking. While we haven't actually seen Greb fight, we have seen many of the fine boxers he defeated - and can therefore deduce, that he must really have been something special.

We can't say the same about Nonpareil and Mitchell.

 

Whereas I'm sure Calis simply took a load of old timey boxers, and plucked them out of a hat to decide whefe he rates them.

 

You honestly think so? I'd like to think, he has given it at least some serious thought.

 

So then he probably has arguments for rating them, like you made with Greb?

What's your P4P top 10?

 

I can't see Mitchell or Dempsey here.I think the talent pool was too shallow then.

 

I'd give him 5 of those.
Fitz
Robinson
Greb
Armstrong
Langford
But I find myself disagreeing with a lot of Callis' statements.

 

In my opinion you have to say the smaller HW's as P4P the best fighters as they are in the ring fighting opponents much bigger than themselves on a regular basis.

If a LW fights another LW they are going to rehydrate to a similar weight, with no limit at HW the size disparity can be massive. Just look at how much weight Wilder gave away to Fury.

 

Well, believe it or not... I don't have one! But If I were to make one, off the top of my head, it would probably look something like this (NOT based on achievements, but on how good they were), in no particular order:

Sugar Ray Robinson
Sugar Ray Leonard
Joe Louis
Ali
Roy Jones
Mayweather
Pacquiao
Duran
Pep
Whitaker

Except for Pacquiao (who, at this late stage, is unlikely to do anything that will change our opinion of him) I have not included anyone still active. But when all is said and done, I wouldn't be surprised if both Lomachenko and Inoue one day will be top-10 worthy… but then again, they may not! Too early to tell. Anyway, I would have a hard time picking two that I would dump, to make room for them!

 

Interesting, so the one person on your list, who retired before the 60's, retired in the 50's. 6 of your 10 fought in the 90's, what are the chances the 60% of the top 10 fighters ever, fought in the same 10 year period, and being in their prime in the mid 80's- early 2000's?

 

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