Which title fights were ended by a lucky punch?

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  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don’t say that!!! He changes his thread titles all the time....then none of the earlier responses make sense, and we all scratch our collective heads until we realize what happened
     
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    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There's no such thing as a "lucky punch" IMO.
     
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    SHADAPBLAD Viscous Knockouts Full Member

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    Maybe there is no such thing as a lucky punch. But what if fighter A, after dominating the fight, becomes careless with fighter B and becomes needlessly aggressive, stops setting up shots, ignores incoming shots... Basically, what if fighter A freely gives out a clear oppurtunity and fighter B takes it? I'm thinking Jackson vs Graham. Is that an oppurtunistic punch? A reward for hanging in there? How much skill can someone discern from an outside perspective, on video?
     
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    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Sounds like it's just a well-delivered punch that exploits an opponent's flaws and mistakes.
     
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    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    What makes Weaver-Tate any luckier than the other punches?
     
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    SHADAPBLAD Viscous Knockouts Full Member

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    What flaw did Graham exhibit? Carelessness? Jackson landed a haymaker on a wild, advancing Graham after missing a few previous tries. In my opinion thats as close as it gets to a lucky punch.
     
  7. Jel

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    Yeah, it's boxing so not sure how lucky a punch thrown at an opponent's head or body can be.

    A knee to the groin (a la Duran-Buchanan) on the other hand - now that's a lucky "punch"!
     
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    I don't know about lucky punches, but the one Azumah Nelson caught Genaro Hernandez in the throat with can at least be considered an unlucky punch.
     
  9. mrkoolkevin

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    Yes. He got greedy. Basically did everything you shouldn't do against a dangerous puncher and he paid dearly for it. Was Jackson lucky that Graham had both of his gloves down by his midsection? Or that Graham had his chin high and completely exposed? Or that Graham loaded up for a wide punch instead of throwing something shorter and faster first?

    You could definitely argue that Graham got unlucky though, the way a drunk driver who happens to drive by a police officer when he's only a few blocks from home is unlucky.
     
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    If it distresses you just ignore the second paragraph.

    Two different things though, imo.
     
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    Sorry to disappoint you.

    But as I understand the term, "lucky punch" is usually used to suggest that the person who threw the punch was somehow lacking in strategy or skill and basically only able to land it by blind chance. As such, I disagree with it.

    Now on the other hand, lots of people, in boxing and in real life, engage in unnecessarily risky behavior. Drunk driving, using coitus interruptus as a form of birth control, swimming in water that doesn't *always* have sharks, momentarily dropping your gloves and raising your chin against one of the most dangerous punchers in the world, etc. The odds are such that guys can usually expect to get away with this stuff (especially if they're good at it) but every now and then, they get "unlucky." But that doesn't mean that the cop who catches the drunk driver had a lucky stop, or the shark a lucky bite, or the sperm cell a lucky fertilization, etc.

    And with this pointless post, I've exhausted my forum time for the next several hours.
     
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    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And here's the flaw in that definition …. I want to throw a punch at someone's face but I do not want it to land??
     
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    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For a punch to be lucky it would have to produce an effect that was not intended from the action. That very rarely applies to any punch thrown in boxing.

    Lucky outcomes can occur in other sports. For example, an intended cross in soccer can end up looping in the corner. That is pure luck; the aim was for the ball to reach a teammate rather than directly into the goal. This doesn't really happen in boxing, where invariably a punch is thrown with the intention of landing and causing damage.

    You could argue that something like Wepner-Ali (standing on foot) or Jones-Calzaghe (knockdown with forearm) was lucky; Wepner presumably have the masterplan of a simultaneous body-punch/foot-stomp combo, and Jones didn't practise throwing forearms to the face.

    McCall-Lewis I for example though doesn't fit. McCall's team identified the opportunity, he trained for it, and he executed it. That isn't luck, regardless of whether the outcome may have been different if they fought again or the losing fighter is better overall.
     
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    I hope you are putting hundreds in playing the lottery everyday .. with your imaginary "Lucky" Leprechaun friend by your side