If Usyk beats Ortiz in his fight at HW...

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  1. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not only would he have to be the consensus P4P no.1 but he would hop over both Bud and Crawford in terms of legacy rankings.

    I don’t know about you guys but I’m also impressed when a guy cleans out the division and then goes to immediately take on the boogey man in the division above.

    Thoughts?
     
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    jmashyaka, Jan 9, 2019
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  2. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I've read here that Ortiz is was 55 when he fought Wilder.
     
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  3. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But does it change the fact that he kicked Wilders ass for the first 8 rounds?
     
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  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Kicking his ass is an exaggeration he was barely out boxing Wilder in a close affair and that's not exactly that hard to do when Wilder's boxing skills are so poor.
     
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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Fury did the same thing, if Usyk beats Fury then he`d have a much stronger claim to being P4P No.1.
     
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  6. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    I think that's a personally reasonable claim
     
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  7. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ortiz (only just in tge top 10 HWs in my opinion) is very overrated however Usyk is in my opinion already the number 2 pound for pound best after Loma.
     
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  8. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I rate Ortiz, I always have. That’s why when Wilder beat him it made me feel vindicated about supporting Wilders abilities.
     
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  9. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ortiz beats Miller,Whyte for me, comfortably beats Pulev, Povetkin, Parker and Breazeale. Only guys I have ahead of him right now is AJ, Wilder and Fury in terms of a head to head fight not off resume.
     
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  10. Geo1122

    Geo1122 Active Member Full Member

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    The boogeyman claim gets taken out of context to much for me. In boxing all it really means is ‘talented fighter, with few benefits of fighting him’.
     
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  11. Robney

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    I don't think #1, but it should soldify him in the top5 for anyone who doesn't already has him in there.
     
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  12. uppercut_to_the_body

    uppercut_to_the_body Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mikey jumping two weight classes would be more impressive, hypothetically.

    Spence (World Champion, Young, Undefeated, Better resume and better win than Ortiz anyone Ortiz has beaten -Kell Brook)

    Ortiz (never a world champion, old, has been beaten, poor resume, best win Bryant Jennings)
     
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  13. Dfaulds

    Dfaulds Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are way way overrating Ortiz here. These are all pretty close fights and he more than likely loses 4 out of these 6.
     
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  14. Guybino

    Guybino Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I like Uysk at HW.

    But I won't give him much credit for beating up a pension-collecting heart patient who is vastly overrated just because he is from Cuba.
     
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  15. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think all of AJ, Povetkin, Whyte, Parker, Pulev, Fury, Miller and Wilder beat Ortiz. All of which certainly have more proven records against top 30 opposition (Ortiz has only ever fought 2 in Jennings and Wilder).
     
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