Wilder Fury II

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  1. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Me too. I think there will be some BS offer that Fury can't accept and Wilder will use refusal of it to justify Breazeale or AJ. If Fury bests him as last time then even if Wilder gets 3 Adalaide Byrd scorecards he's going to be left the laughing stock of the boxing world.

    Part of me wants AJ Wilder, part of me wants Fury to put right the Staples centre robbery. Either one now looks like it's only a warm-up for Joshua Fury, the biggest fight in UK boxing history.
     
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  2. Holler

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    Why wouldn't he accept 40? AJ would have 3 belts to his one and far bigger commercial pulling power. 40% of that fight would be a fantastic deal, he would make a fortune?
     
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  3. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    I think he'd be in a solid enough position to leverage for more than the 40 percent.
    He'll know that going to Wilder's back yard (again) and beating him (again) is a ballsy move after that layoff. There are plenty - casuals and non-casuals alike - who hold the blame for AJ-WIlder not happening with Matchroom\AJ, so if they wish to retain AJ's credit in the public eye then there's more pressure for him to force the fight than Fury, seeing as it could then appear that AJ didn't do enough to fight either Wilder or Fury.
    AJ may well have 3 belts, but Fury was the one to dethrone Wlad and then (hypothetically) beat someone worth a whole heap more than Parker or Martin. If marketed right, they can really really pressure AJ here, I feel. They could then spin a "Mr Humble is kicking off over 10 percent" narrative.
    Warren's ability to execute that ts another matter entirely.
     
  4. Bensub

    Bensub Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rematch will be in Vegas imo.
     
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  5. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Prepare for a devastating knockout more violent and erupt then the one seen in the first fight.

    Wilder was at cruiserweight and still laid Fury out clean.

    If he comes in with 25lbs of extra muscle added to his frame, to sit on his punches, then it's bad news for Fury.
     
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  6. Inglis_1

    Inglis_1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    One thing Wilder deserves credit for is that he'll keep swinging right to the end of the fight which makes him dangerous. He may be getting outboxed like he was Ortiz and Fury of course, but you're never safe against him and although he didn't deserve the draw imo, his ability to fight to the end and not give up saved him in both fights last year, something which Klitschko failed to do against Fury.
     
  7. Holler

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    Any half decent communications specialist could easily devise a comms plan to counter that line, so I've no doubt Hearn, a very skilled communicator and strategist with vast resources, could do so. I think I could do a half way decent job to be honest if he's reading this.

    Would there be some PR blowback? Yes probably, although centred in the 'hardcore' boxing fanbase where Fury's claims would hold more sway rather than in the casual market which dictates when a big fight becomes a huge one, but measured against the tens of millions of pounds of revenue that 10% would equate to it would be deemed a price worth paying.

    Don't get me wrong. As a fan I don't see this money either way and if you told me to argue Fury 'deserves' 50% I could do so. If I were AJ however and an advisor told me that I had to give Fury 50% I'd sack him for not doing his job properly. You don't get to the position he's in and just give it away because someone will say nasty things about you if you don't. You get smart and work out a line to put them on the back foot. Fury presents a far easier target in PR terms than he does in the ring....
     
  8. jonny v

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    Let's notify forget that fury still has the southpaw option up his sleeve
     
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  9. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    By no means am I suggesting AJ ought to (or would even consider) going for the 50% route himself by the way, my feeling is that FUry is in quite a strong position to force AJ's hand considerably more than had his fight with WIlder been dull, and if AJ is as concerned about legacy as he states (which I suspect he isn't, I mean, none of them are really) then he may have to budge a bit. I try to avoid the money side of things as it's mundane and you're right, none of it comes our way so it's largely academical.

    So long as 2 of these 3 end up fighting each other next I really couldn't give a **** either way
     
  10. Heisenberg

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    If the fight happens, Wilder will have an immediate rematch clause in case he loses, so that’s AJ’s unification dream frozen out until summer 2020. I still think Hearn will try and make AJ v Wilder for April as he can see the casual losing interest in fights with Whyte, Pulev and Miller
     
  11. Holler

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    Agree with all of that really. Pity as I enjoy arguing with you :p Like you say I don't think any of them are that concerned with the legacy side anywhere as much as we as fans are. For sportsmen that question really comes at the end of the career and if people like you enough they forgive or skip over the questionable moves you've made. I think behind closed doors they're money motivated, in part because it's an easy measure of who 'wins' the negotiation and they're highly competitive after all...

    It would be entertaining to see Fury trying to leverage his success by attacking AJ and see how far it gets him. Ultimately though they'll get in the ring eventually if Fury stays fit and relevant. Too much money on either side to be made whatever the final split is.
     
  12. Holler

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    Jeez a rematch clause for the rematch. They'll spend the rest of their careers fighting each other until Wilder gets the result he wants...
     
  13. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Oh stop! :iloveyou:

    My instinct is that we'll get Wilder-Dommy B, AJ-Whyte\Miller (this is a given) and then Fury-inactivity. Sincerely hope I'm wrong, I mean I didn't expect their first fight to happen so me doubting the rematch is laughable really.
     
  14. rski

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    if he also comes in with 25 extra points to his IQ he might have a chance as well.

    Fury will be faster and slicker, those two chances Wilder had in an entire 12 rounds in the first fight wont exist in the rematch.
     
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  15. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    In the latter stages of the fight Wilder found his range and that was when he was getting to Fury.

    During the whole fight, I was thinking to myself that WIlder had come in to light and you notice his punches were not as powerful, yet he still knocked Fury out cold.

    No fighter has managed to not get hurt or knocked down against Wilder, and you seriously believe Fury is going to be the first in the rematch when he got knocked down twice in the first fight?

    Wishful thinking only goes so far I'm afraid.

    As for IQ, it can't be that bad if he manged to hurt one of the best heavyweight boxers who Klitschko couldn't land a glove on.