WHY is THIS HW DIVISION Called "BAD"??

If the klitschkos were here in their prime everybody else would be called bums.

We just have a bunch of bums not all that willing to fight each other. AJ just lowballed Whyte and can't make the Wilder or Fury fight happen for example.

That said, I've been really enjoying the fights that do happen. Whyte vs Chisora 2 was great.

 

it’s weaker , but more interesting than Klitchko era. I would give joshua very little chance against prime lewis, wlad or vitali and I think that wilder ,Fury are a step bellow joshua.

 

I haven’t heard anyone call this heavyweight division bad. I’ve only heard the opposite. It’s the best it has been in decades.

 

This.

This is precisely why this era sucks: the talent level is lower. Let's take a look:

AJ nearly got cleaned up by the oldest version of Wlad ever to fight. Povetkin, who is pushing 40, gave AJ a rough fight and he's the leftovers from last era.

Wilder nearly got cleaned up by Ortiz, who is also pushing 40. His skills are laughably bad. It's a running joke as to how soft his resume is and its a running joke as to how he gets outboxed each and every fight before his power pulls his fat out of the fire. And speaking of fat,

Tyson Fury came straight off the fat farm to put a beating on Wilder. Is this a reflection of how talented he is? Partly, let's admit it. But its also a reflection of how bad Wilder is, and Fury getting clocked twice by a goof like Wilder makes one wonder just how well he'd actually have done in the Wlad rematch that he ducked.

Povetkin: Well I like Povetkin and always have. He's a hard hitting heavyweight who has a lot of technical ability and isn't scared to mix it up with anybody. But, he's as old as the hills now and a lot slower. He's basically last era's leftovers and he's beaten everybody except AJ.

Charr: Never managed to do anything with his career in the Klitschko days. Now he finally beats one of the "huge" modern HW's and snagged a title. The fact that Charr won a title speaks volumes.

Miller: Another huge dude. Huge and fat, at least he wasn't as fat as the version of Wach that he managed to somehow beat, who had rolls resting on his beltline and who gave him all he could handle for a while. Let's remember that Miller lost to a 43 year old version of Cro Cop, who is a kickboxer. That's all we need to know.

Pulev: Last era's leftovers, still somehow floating around in the top 10.

Whyte: A fun fighter, but let's not forget he barely scraped past Chisora, who is as old as Noah. Speaking of which, if 200 year old Chisora is beating top dudes right now, HOW TF can this era be better than 5-6 years ago when Chisora was prime?

In concluding: yes, this era sucks.

Can it improve? Also, yes.

In 3 years we will have a bunch of new blood and hopefully better talent. There's a lot of promising guys waiting in the wings.

Is this era more fun?

Yes.

I'm not going to argue that it isn't fun. It is because there's no massive, technically excellent (and often boring) fighter like Wlad at the top stifling the division and ruling with an iron fist.

But more fun doesn't equal better.

 

It's bad because only there are only three Heavyweights who are genuinely concerned with fighting for legacy.

The others are either fodder or fight purely for purses.

 

It's not bad, but it's not great either at least it doesn't look that way right now.

Some will say at the top level that the talent isn't as good, an old and faded Wlad went life and death with Joshua who's the consensus number 1. But what if Joshua isn't the number 1 and it's actually Fury who schooled Wlad when they fought, what if Fury clearly out boxes Wilder in the rematch but this time gets the nod and then he schools Joshua, you could then argue this era has a heavyweight better than Wlad or Vitali. How does this era look like then if Fury dominates but the rest of the division keeps making competitive fights which we didn't see during the K2 era as much. You could argue then this era is not only better but much better with a top guy better than either Klitschko and a bunch of other top heavies who were better than the likes of Haye, Peter, Povetkin, etc.

People like to look at the past with rose tinted glasses. Outside of the top 5 in most era's the top 10 is usually pretty awful. Only in the 70's and 90's did the top 10 actually look good most of the time.

 

Ok Wlad went life and death with Joshua...so old, past it, semi shot, virtually semi paralysed Wlad went life and death with a 17 fight novice Joshua. Remind me who Wlad was fighting in his first 20 fights that's anywhere close to old comatose Wlad, that Joshua faced. Infact don't bother answering that.

Joshua would just be at the point of fighting the big names in 90s at this stage of his career.

This era's fine.

 

If Fury could keep his focus he might just. But god knows I doubt it.

 

It's a fantasy that fights were made in an instant in the past. Ali had to go to great lengths to get his 2nd fight vs. Frazier. Lewis vs. Tyson took something like 6 years to get made. Its only in hindsight that we think fights got signed in 2 weeks and it was just one big fight after another big fight without any mediocre matchups that left fans disappointed.

 

Yeah this is true, how long did it take for Holyfield/Tyson to finally happen, even Lewis/Holyfield 1 was delayed. After Holyfield beat Tyson a 2nd time it took almost 3 years for them to finally try and unify the belts.

 

I'm still waiting for Lewis v Bowe to be signed off!