According to Joyces manager Sam Jones. Maybe another tune up fight for both but definitely in 2019. I'll go with Ortiz here. I watched a couple of fights from Joyce vs. Southpaws and he was beaten to **** there, even in the amateurs, i think Ortiz will stop him here as Joyce showed no defense at all in his last fights and blocked most of the punches with his head. Ortiz looked good in his last fight if it comes to stamina as he was very active and busy in the last rounds. A good sign. I can't understand how people saying he was gassing vs Wilder anyway, he wasn't. He was exhaused because it was a tough fight and he was knocked down before but he wasn't gassing badly like other fighters who can't even breathe with a closed mouth or throwing punches anymore. This is a great matchup and a good fight: An aggressive coming forward guy vs. a heavy handed counterpuncher who is probably the best natural boxing talent in the HW division.
Have to favour Ortiz, his counter punching style vs Joyce's pressure suggests it's only a matter of time before Joyce walks into a huge counter. Joyce will need to show us something more than just the relentless pressure he's shown so far. He'll need to show he's a better boxer and a smarter boxer than we've seen. He'll need to be more careful when choosing his spots to be aggressive, he can't just walk in again and again. But when he does come forward he needs to get Ortiz on the back foot and moving as Ortiz's footwork is poor and he likes is feet set to punch. Jennings tried it but didn't have the power or size to force Ortiz back and just ended walking into a hail storm of huge counters instead. But if Joyce can keep pushing Ortiz back and not giving him time to set his feet when he does push forward then there will be less danger of being countered.
Joyce takes some but he overwhelms the old man eventually. Ortiz wont be able to breath and his age will show up way quicker than any other fight we've seen him in
I hope your right, I could see it play out that way, if he can sustain a pace Ortiz can't live with he could become disorganised and make mistakes. Maybe if Joyce can take it beyond 6 rounds he can then start breaking Ortiz down. Ortiz is there to be hit in my opinion, he won't be able to move out of the way and his defence while decent, isn't so good he can stand if front of Joyce for prolonged periods. But Ortiz's power is no joke. Joyce can't be as reckless as he usually is.
Very good fight. I see Ortiz throwing heavy grandfather clocks early in the fight, doubt Joseph can take them. Ortiz by KO3.
Why not? At their respective ages there's not really time to mess around. Ortiz is high risk/low reward and short of decent opponents. If Haymon is going to do anything with Joyce meanwhile he needs to move him forward quickly. Ortiz is coming to the end and his best value now could be in providing an upcoming fighter with a fast track to the top level. If of course he's capable of beating him.
I'm a huge Joyce fanboy, I think he's got great potential and could be a real player in the division, and a future champ. Sadly his career is about to be momentarily derailed here, hopefully it doesn't mess with his or his handlers heads too much. Terrible stylistic matchup for Joe, bad bad bad idea. Hopefully this will prove to be a good learning experience at the very least.
Way too big of a risk I think. It is true that Joyce needs to be moved up asap, but winning against Ortiz a lot if people could say that he beat up a 60 year old blablabla
What are his alternatives? Haymon has signed him to get amongst this current set of heavyweights and he needs to build awareness and following quickly. Ortiz is a good boxer but he's not the fastest or best mover so he may be a better style match for Joyce. He's only had the one loss so His scalp has value whatever his age.
Well fighting Chisora? There were a lot of talks about this fight and Chisora is way more known in the Uk than Ortiz. I am enjoying this conversation but I am forced to type from my phone right now and it sucks a little bit
Joyce already CALLED OUT Ortiz big time after his last fight and Ortiz immediately accepted the challenge so i don't know how he (Joyce) or them (Haymon and co.) can avoid the fight as i doubt Joyce would call Ortiz out with the knowledge he will never fight him anyway. And his manager is also telling the thing for a month now that Joyce vs. Ortiz will happen soon. Ortiz on the other side hasn't a lot of options left at his age. Continue fighting bums on undercards for no money at all and hoping for another title shot (could happen but i doubt it) or fighting better fighters, beat them and then get bigger fights, maybe even as a headliner. Ortiz has only the Wilder rematch left as a title shot option as Hearn would never let him fight Joshua logically so i think Ortiz will go all in on that, no matter if he has to fight upcoming top prospects. You can call Ortiz' resume weak, yeah, it's not the best out there, but he never ducked anyone, although some of you might say that (Ustinov) but it's BS as you all know only the half of the truth. Ortiz would fight Joyce, Kownacki and Jennings within three months if they would let him. He knows he has to beat those guys to get another title shot vs. Wilder (or maybe Fury). I would like to see the winner of Fury / Wilder 2 and Ortiz / Joyce fighting each other. And Breazeale should fight Kownacki or Jennings for getting a shot at the winner of those above. If Kownacki beats Washington and Jennings will pass the test vs. Rivas.
I'm not massively impressed with Joyce, but he's a huge powerful mofo with one of those awkward junk-punching styles that I think could really cause an older fighter like Ortiz problems. A lot will depend on two things: how well Joyce holds up to Ortiz's power, and how well Ortiz's stamina will hold up against Joyce's non-stop pressure. What makes me (slightly) lean towards Joyce is that Ortiz isn't massively fast or mobile, and relies on having his feet set when throwing punches. I think if Joyce is able to maintain forward momentum and actually push Ortiz back he will drastically reduce Ortiz's abilities to launch heavy left hand counters. Jennings had some success coming forward on Ortiz, but was too small and weak to get Ortiz out of his comfort zone, which allowed Ortiz to land counters with impunity. Joyce will need to be on guard the whole fight though. One slip and Ortiz would flatten him. Very intriguing matchup.