Floyd Patterson vs Roy Jones, Jr.

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    At heavyweight. Who takes it and how?
     
  2. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Obviously, if RJJ, stays outside and runs, he might win a decision. But once he moves inside, and Patterson hits him,
    it's all over.

    Patterson in 7 rounds.
     
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  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I pick Patterson by KO but Jones could score a knockdown before its all over
     
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  4. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Patterson might actually outspeed Jones here. Either way, Jones wouldnt be prepared for the raw explosiveness. Patterson catches Jones on the inside quick and knocks him down

    Patterson by stoppage early rounds
     
  5. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Interesting fight, I pick Patterson. Both would hit the canvas, but Patterson would get up, Roy wouldn't. Patterson is a very underrated puncher, and didn't Ali say that Patterson was the fastest fighter that he ever fought?
     
  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jones Jr wouldn't know what hit him.
     
  7. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    A fast heavyweight sounds like about the worst opponent for Jones.

    Patterson by highlight reel KO.
     
  8. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I've got Floyd koing Jones ingo style with a lighting left hook ,around round 6.
     
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  9. TBI

    TBI Active Member Full Member

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    Seeing how one-sided the consesnsus is and being able to see a case for either, I'll play devil's advocate.

    What makes everyone think Jones can't score a knockdown or several to stop Patterson or win a decision?

    Patterson was pretty hittable, liked a mix-up and had a shaky chin. Certainly Jones has the snap to put Patterson down here.

    I love Patterson, but I do think his power is slightly overrated.

    Jones easily whipped Ruiz in his only fight at HW, dealing with respectable HW firepower incoming for 12 rounds, breaking Ruiz' nose and earning enough respect to keep Jones from being "big manned" in there, which is exactly what I expected to happen but didn't, which is evidence of Jones' combination of speed and power at the higher weight.

    Floyd wasn't able to deal with the movement and speed of Ali on either occasion, and Jones, concerning speed, is in that class.

    I can see Floyd trudging forward behind that guard, eating hard shots, having to reset every time.

    It wont be trench warfare like the Chuvalo fight, and won't be a power boxing counterpunching contest like the Quarry fights.

    This will look most similar to the Ali fights, where Patterson is the one coming forward in an attempt to launch the hook, but is nullified by incoming powershots he better stay careful of and having to reset every time an exchange happens. Notice Floyd's punch output during those fights- he wasn't throwing nearly as many punches because of the speed differential. Ali made him look completely ordinary.

    That being said, if Jones scores a knockdown, it'll almost be on accident because although he had the power to scramble brains, he was often reluctant to engage and be the aggressor. He would be content to move and counter, firing single shots to keep Patterson from mounting any momentum.

    That being said, Patterson may flatten Jones by timing him at some point and I'm perfectly okay with that.
     
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  10. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    He did.
     
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  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    That's a pretty good analysis. I can see it working that way.
     
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  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, it's possible that Jones could have inflicted a kd, but that don't mean it woulda happened...after all, you'd think that the fighter who famously decked Muhammad Ali in '63 would have done the same to Floyd Patterson three years later when they met in the ring....but it didn't happen.
     
  13. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sorry Jake but I can't. Ruiz was 'pan fed' to RJJ's Heavyweight effort!
    A HW RJJ never could 'plow' like the big Heavies Floyd faced and Floyd rose. An RJJ knockdown? Perhaps.. Lots of fighters floored Floyd, ''big tiddly poo" :) Does anyone think Roy's not going to be cautious here? Was a HW RJJ faster than Machen? Or Ellis? They were pure heavies; Floyd ran the table on Eddie and turned Ellis into (sorry Howard) a "bloody pulpy" mess.
    This thread's been started several times. As I said previously: If a passive Floyd shows up? UD. If a focused machine Floyd shows up? Lights out Roy; go back to your optimum weight.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    How much out of ten would you rate Floyd`s power and how would you rate Roy`s power out of 10?
     
  15. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Patterson wasn't seen as such a big puncher even at LHW, despite his huge advantage in speed to most or all of his opponents.