Wilder v fury

Someone posted a list and almost all of them were less than the first. Only one i can recall is Canelo ggg though...

 

Then have the fight in irland

 

Had a look and it's only recently where number have gone down in the 2nd, usually a rematch sells more but not often a significant increase.

This is using the American numbers on Wikipedia so not sure how reliable it is.

 

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tfw when you check in on a Wilder Fury thread and see it dominated by "numbers" talk. Pathetic.

 

It's obvious the rematch does bigger numbers than the first fight. Any logical thinker knows that. Look at the narrative created by that first fight. Everyone who bought it will buy again and the media storm that proceeded the fight guarantees plenty of new interest. Showtime know how to promote a fight and both Wilder and Fury are fantastic characters for creating hype. That's how they made a successful PPV of the first fight, in a division that had been dormant for many years in America. Showtime hoped for 250k buys. They got 325k and an exciting fight. Despite what jealous idiots on here say, it was a success for all involved.

I'm not saying the rematch does 1 million+ PPV buys. I haven't seen many people say that in fairness. However, the difference between the UK and America PPV prices mean it doesn't have to do 1 million PPV buys. I think it'll do between 600 and 700k at 65 dollars a pop.

600 thousand PPV buys at 65 dollars generates 40 million dollars. A Las Vegas gate for a big boxing match like Wilder/Fury 2 won't generate any less than 10 million dollars. That's a conservative figure. That puts Wilder/Fury rematch at 50 million dollars. Adding in UK PPV buys at a moderate 500k, the pot goes up another ten million pounds. £>$ so let's call the total money generated for Wilder/Fury rematch at around 50 million pounds. As you can see, I've added that up conservatively. It could and probably would do a bit more than that.

Now, let's say Joshua/Wilder in UK does two million PPV buys at 20 pounds a pop. That generates 40 million pounds. The gate for AJ/Klitschko was 8 million pounds so let's generously round off AJ/Wilder as a fight that generates 50 million pounds altogether. It may do more than that with foreign/American TV etc but I think 50 million pounds is a generous figure, as you can see by my calculations.

So realistically, there isn't actually much money in the difference between Wilder/Fury rematch and Joshua/Wilder. You can chop and change it how you wish lads, but there really isn't much in it. A 50/50 split for Wilder/Fury means they could even make more facing each other than the 40% on offer from Matchroom.

P.S. If you're replying to my post negatively, show me your figures. I've shown mine and they're based on past fights and common sense. I haven't been unrealistic in any way. I'm just trying to simplify it for those too ignorant to respect the magnitude of one fight or the other.

 

500k for UK PPV seems very high based on Fury being a relatively poor seller, plus the fight being on in the middle of the night, and it being on BT.

Not sure that the figures for the first fight were very good. I think you're just repeating some of the things you probably said before the first fight hoping they're true. 'They're both great characters, they know how to sell a fight.' The first fight, with these 'great characters' did less than Marquez v Bradley.

I think the rematch will do more but not loads more. The trouble is that as much as he excites you, a lot of people have now watched a Tyson Fury fight who haven't seen one before, and they will now know he's a light hitting, safety first fighter.

 

Poor attempt Tony. You know damn well my break down of the numbers won't be far away. More bizarre damage limitation from yourself. It's beyond embarrassing now.

Show me a break down of your projected figures for Wilder/Fury rematch + AJ/Wilder. You know, the figures that predict the latter to be a much more lucrative fight financially. I'll wait....

"One champion, one RACE, one name" won't sway it either ha ha ha ha ha.

 

Not really. Tyson did 500k on prime time Saturday night box office on Sky. BT have far less publicity drive, plus he's on in the middle of the night. To suggest he'll 'conservatively' do the same he did against Klitschko at 5am simply does something which a lot of Fury fans seem to do so often, namely grossly overstating his popularity.

 

Poor again T. You're not even trying hard this evening.

But carry on pretending nothing has changed since 2015, if that's what makes you feel better.

Still waiting on those projections. Just hope they're as funny as your assessment on AJ's racism.

 

I woke up for the fight and found a stream on my phone without getting out of bed. I'm not a Fury fan but there is a clear crossover between fans who hate PPV and stream and people who like Fury.

 

I'm not questioning your calculations as it's mainly guess work from anyone. I do ask the question however on why Wilder would agree to 50/50 when the WBC have already said he will get 60/40.
The reason I say it's a big risk for Wilder Fury to rematch is the big financial loss for the loser. If Wilder lost then he would bring nothing to an AJ fight. If Fury lost then the AJ fight would still be big however he wouldn't get anywhere near the 40% split being offered now . Surely the sensible option is for one of them to take the AJ fight now especially for Wilder who keeps going on about wanting one champion.

 

Here's a question. Why hasn't Warren mentioned what Fury Wilder did on UK PPV? It's either because:

He doesn't know.

Or it was poor.

Now, we all know that if it was a huge success he'd have said so. And we know he's not in a position where he doesn't know what the figures are. So what is it? I mean this is the new, exciting, everyone loves him Tyson Fury?

 

A.) Wilder gets at least 50%, possibly 60% for Fury rematch. Simple calculations suggest it's in and around what he'd make fighting AJ in the UK.

B.) If Wilder fought and beat AJ, his status as "undisputed" would be severely disputed by 99% of the boxing world.

C.) Doesn't have to travel for Fury rematch.

D.) He'll believe he's worked Fury out having almost KO'd him in the last round.

E.) An entertaining rematch could solidify Wilder as a PPV star in the states.

F.) The rematch is the natural fight after such a heavily disputed decision last time out.

There's more than enough reasons for Wilder not to go for AJ now. Fury probably has less but most of them remain. Both are confident of winning and fighting AJ next.

 

I've never said the UK PPV numbers were anything better than poor. Seen a bloke on Twitter say that barb estimated it at 700k so who knows. Wouldn't surprise me if it was nearer 200k. I've honestly no idea.

What I do know is that it'll be much improved for a rematch given the media storm that proceeded the last fight. That's common sense Tony to anyone who isn't ignorant.

But let's say it flops and only does 300k in the UK. That won't make a huge difference to the overall pot, as the real bread is in US PPV and gate monies. Making your obsession over a couple hundred UK PPV buys irrelevant and bizarre. But look, that's your style.

Some on here might enjoy believing that boxing is dead in the US or whatever. Granted, it's been a on a poor run. However, with the right matchup's, the US always has the potential to blow the UK out of the water. Conor McGregor is still surpassing two million buys a fight at 65 dollars. That's 130 million dollars Tony. Money AJ couldn't dream of generating.