Fight of the Week #14 Jung Koo Chang Doubleheader

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  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hilario Zapata vs Jung Koo Chang I

    Never watched this before and it is a little ugly! Chang smothering Zapata most of the fight but not landing at a high connect rate...Zapata flicking the jab trying to create attack angles and not give good ones to Chang...not the most aesthetically pleasing fight....I was hoping to see a better showing of Zapatas skill.

    I am not confident or comfortable with my card, and found this very difficult to score...perhaps among the most difficult IMO...much more onesided in my card than in reality on the official ones....

    1 Chang
    2 Chang (Chang 20-18)
    3 missing
    4 Chang (Chang 30-27)
    5 Chang (Chang 40-36)
    6 Chang (Chang 50-45)
    7 Chang (Chang 60-54)
    8 Zapata (Chang 69-64)
    9 Zapata (Chang 78-74)
    10 Zapata (Chang 87-84)
    11 Chang (Chang 97-93)
    12 Chang (Chang 107-102)
    13 Zapata (Chang 116-112)
    14 Zapata (Chang 125-122)
    15 Chang (Chang 135-131)

    Chang 9-5
    Chang 135-131 not sure how Chang didn’t win this fight
     
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  2. Jel

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    Chang v Chitalada 1 (rounds 1-6)

    1 10-9
    2 10-10
    3 9-10
    4 10-9
    5 10-9
    6 10-9

    I normally like to score a fight in one go and then post my card but have been struggling to watch anything this week as I’ve been too damn tired in the evening. So, I’ve got to the end of round 6 in about 3 separate viewings. So far it’s a much closer fight than my scorecard suggests.

    I like Chitalada’s style. He’s boxing pretty well off the back foot. Chang being the shorter guy is doing well to get inside and scoring the harder punches in my view. The cut at the end of round 6 is a bad one so interested to see how Chang copes.
     
  3. Jel

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    Stayed up to finish the fight. Here’s the rest of the card:

    7 9-10 (scrappy, difficult to score)
    8 10-9 (close)
    9 9-9 (Chitalada’s round but deducted a point for holding. Bit harsh)
    10 9-10 (clear round for Chitalada, who is on the front foot now. Bizarre interlude where the ref is temporarily injured)
    11 9-10 (time out to check Chang’s cut - Chang doesn’t look that keen to continue)
    12 9-10

    Chang 114-114 Chitalada

    An entertaining but scrappy encounter, Chang had the better of the first half although it was closer than I think my scorecard showed. After the cut, Chang seemed to go into his shell and Chitalada really came on to start controlling the fight. But for the point deduction in round 9, I’d have scored it for Chitalada. In round 11, Chang really didn’t look that keen to go on. The 10th was a funny one too, with the ref hobbling around the ring.

    Overall, I’d say a draw was about fair although I was more impressed with Chitalada’s performance than Chang’s.
     
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  4. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Most people feel like Chang won this fight clearly, but we have 2 even cards here so maybe that will change? Either way were you aware that Chitalada was deducted a point for the headbutt in rd 6?
     
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  5. Jel

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    Ah, for some reason I thought a deduction came in round 9! I’ll change my card from round 9 to 6 but the score will remain the same as I had Chitalada winning the 9th without the erroneous deduction. My full card is as follows:

    Chang v Chitalada 1

    1 10-9
    2 10-10
    3 9-10
    4 10-9
    5 10-9
    6 10-8
    7 9-10
    8 10-9
    9 9-10
    10 9-10
    11 9-10
    12 9-10

    Chang 114-114 Chitalada
     
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  6. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You might be right? I had it down as 9 as well but thought it was 6 when I looked at boxrec....I need to recheck but heading out for a late dinner
     
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  7. Jel

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    A few more thoughts on Chang-Chitalada 1:

    It was a fight of two halves with Chang taking the first half through being busier in the exchanges and landing what looked like the bigger punches. The turning point was the 6th when Chang got cut. After that, Chang and Chitalada began to change roles with Chitalada boxing off the front foot and hunting down Chang who retreated to regroup as the cut got worse. It was unclear to me exactly where the point deduction happened - I had it down as the 9th round though. The 10th was an odd one with the ref hobbling around the ring and then the 11th had a lengthy break to check Chang's cut and he didn't seem to me too keen to continue. It all added to the feeling of a disjointed fight.

    Chitalada deserves a lot of credit for stepping up his work rate and not being bothered by the point deduction, the ref's warnings and the partisan crowd - pretty remarkable coolness from a 21 year old engaging in only his 5th pro fight.

    Chang did a lot of mugging and dancing in the final round but not a lot of fighting. I don't know if he thought he already had it in the bag or he knew more about the judging than I did. I felt the ref was a bit harsh on penalising Chitalada and I'd be very interested to see the breakdown of the 119-112 card. It was a close fight that could have gone either way so I just don't see a 7 point margin for Chang.

    Will try and watch the rematch before the weekend.
     
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  8. PhillyPhan69

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    I agree that the penalty was harsh on the deduction but it is consistent with WBC rules. We also dealt with this in round 3 of DLH vs Whitaker.

    I do think the ref was very partial to Chang. He did end up warning Chang a few times as well but in the early going seemed to be warning Sot a lot more. He did seem very composed throughout all of it for only being in his 5th pro fight.

    I don’t see the card quite as close as you and Pat, so I am hoping some more chime in so I don’t feel like I watched the wrong fight lol
     
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  9. Mendoza

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    Help me out a bit on Chang. The competition he beat doesn't look very good.

    I know Chang was quick with flash combinations, but I find his power lacking, and didn't he lose to the best fighters he fought? Maybe he lost the bouts I saw...and that's a reason why I don't view him as special.

    I have read his prime was short, partly due to drug use.

    Just trying to get an understanding of why some think he's a special HOF type of fighter.
     
  10. PhillyPhan69

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    Guys like flea, tinman, russell, Flo and Rope a dope and Saad are probably better equipped and knowledgeable on Chang and the lighter weights in general. I would say start a thread on the topic but the lighter weights get little love on this forum, it was decent 10 years ago but minuscule today.

    I think Chang was a high volume pressure fighter, hence the nickname The Korean Hawk. I do think he has a tendency to maul in a hattonesque way when he struggles to slip a strong jabber, which is why he probably lost Zapata I and Chitalada II even though I personally think he earned the decision in both of them. But his resume to me is solid, and unless you don’t think much of some of the lesser known names (more due to obscurity or weight and being Asian than talent IMO) on it I am not sure how you could come to that conclusion.

    Solid pre prime wins over Alfonso Lopez and Ursua who had just ko’d Zapata.

    Tough SD loss (I think Chang won so so many) to Zapata and he closed the deal in convincing fashion making short work of Zapata in the rematch. Destroyed Inami and best Tokashiki fairly onesided before stopping him late. If Inami and tokashiki are not recognizable to you they have an awesome fight between the two of them on YouTube (one of my favorite fights I discovered in 2018)

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    3-0 vs German Torres although the 2nd fight was close and debatable the other two are pretty clear convincing wins. Something like 15 defenses but I am to lazy to look it up.

    Retired at 36-1 with the lone loss a controversial SD to Zapata. The fights you have likely seen are from the 2 win 3 loss stint after returning to boxing for financial reasons over a year later.

    Not sure how you can watch 1980’s boxing and not love his body of work or rate him highly.

    I have only been delving into the 115 and under divisions since September. I have come away impressed by him, but again I am pretty much a novice in my understanding of the history...but trying to learn. But Chang is top notch with a top notch resume IMO
    Just my $0.02
     
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  11. PhillyPhan69

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    The first quote is from my posting in the what fights did you score today sticky. I also thought it was round 9 where the deduction penalty came to play. I changed it on my card for this thread to reflect round 6 as the round the penalty was accrued in.

    http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/2129

    Boxrec reports it as 6, but maybe the error is theirs and not ours? Either way I changed it to 6 based upon their records. Interesting that there is no mention of a deduction in rd 12 of their 2nd fight and it sure looks to me that Chitalada lost a point in that round.
     
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  12. Saad54

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    Chang did seem to easily get inside on Zapata.

    This is unlike say, German Torres, who, despite being aggressive, could not cut off the ring against Zapata.

    I wouldn't argue with Chang getting the decision against Zapata in their first fight.

    Chang did have home town advantage, but Zapata did have the luxury of importing WBA judges who often favored the Latin based champions.

    I am a big Zapata fan, but he did not win this fight definitively.
     
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  14. mrkoolkevin

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    Gonna try to get through a couple this weekend.
     
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    Welcome back bud.!
     
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