So WHYTE/WILDER/FURY are all saying Hearnz/AJ are lowballing! AJ is DUCKING!

Yes you can, but Wilder and Fury aren't trying to maintain the level of money/support AJ is. To put it simply, they are negotiating up from their base level earning. Medium/Long term, AJ needs them to maintain his. They can take advantage of this to squeeze more money from any deal being offered. It's a case of who blinks first but evidence suggests the strategy works, as Hearn moved from the flat $15m offer he first tabled to Wilder, to a percentage deal. It's a game of poker really...

 

I'm sure it would for one of the two parties. Sadly a negotiation has to work for both to succeed and if I were the guy who had accumulated the three belts and the large following I would expect the people I paid to negotiate on my behalf to do more than roll over and have their belly tickled.

Before someone comes in with the 'what do you care what the split is' I don't, but anyone who understands negotiating a contract knows that certain principles apply, what do you bring to the table, what is it worth, what are the options available to you if you don't agree, how strong is your negotiating position and that of the guy across the table.

Of course maybe normal business conditions will be suspended and everyone will embrace a new Marxist Leninist viewpoint and all resources will be collectivised and share out from each according to their ability to each according to their need. Until that happy day however I suspect that things will proceed exactly as they always have done in boxing.

 

60/40 is a generous offer for Wilder or Fury. If I was AJ I would just say there is the deal, take it or leave it. If they decide to leave it, he can happily face mandatories/voluntaries until one of them sees sense. Everyone knows what the score is. AJ can't make them put pen to paper.

Hearn's problem is he keeps going back with improved offers. It's no wonder they aren't budging, because by doing nothing they have managed to get better offers, so they will continue to do nothing. Hearn's fatal mistake is he keeps blinking first. Schoolboy stuff really.

 

You're a biased joshua fan so of course you believe everything hearns says smh. First off isnt hearns the same knucklehead promoter says wilder vs fury ppv buy rate of 325k is horrible because he says parker vs whyte ppv buy rates were a million buys? LOL Yeah and yet hearns forget to mention that parker vs whyte on UK ppv were just 19.99 to buy while wilder vs fury ppv cost were 70.00 to buy? Hmm is 19.99 cost more than 70.00? LMFAO

And wilder has made it clear right after his draw fight vs fury that he wants to fight fury again to settle the score. Funny you believe everything that comes out of hearns mouth because joshua is your boy but when finkle says other wise you say that's a lie right? Smh. Wilder vs Fury rematch I believe will do between 900k or 1 million buys on ppv considering how the first fight was great with alot of drama and exposure.

If joshua really wanted fight either fury or wilder? Why he didn't show up when wilder vs fury first fight happen huh? Don't give me schedules and other b.s.

 

LOL at running scare. Wilder wants to fight joshua before he sign to fight fury in the first fight but joshua ignore it. If joshua really wanted to fight wilder or fury? He should've prove it by being at ringside when wilder vs fury first fight took place. <<<If wilder is quote scared? Then what makes joshua for not showing up?

 

Wake up man. The only time wilder wants to face Joshua is when Joshua is already signed to fight somebody else. When both parties are free to negotiate wilder and finkel go in to hiding. It's happened twice in the last 6 months.

And why does he need to be ringside when he's sent wilder about 6 contracts? What does being ringside do that sending a signed contract doesn't?

 

So that's an interesting assertion, but how can we determine how accurate it is? How many of these casual fans are invested in HW boxing such that they follow rankings, boxing media, online forums and social media etc where they may be exposed to this narrative?

How many simply see the promotions upcoming and buy into Brand AJ because that's their guy and they enjoy watching a gold medal winning British hw champion who looks the part, says the right things and features on those lucozade adverts they see in the cinema before the avengers movie starts?

The answer would help to indicate how much leverage these guys actually wield. So what is it? Can we find it in the PPV figures? Box office takings? Ancillary earnings from non fight related earnings by AJ's holding companies?

 

To show everybody he really wants to fight if he was there at ringside and call out either wilder or fury? Ummm hello. Mosley did that when he was at ringside and was in the ring to called out Mayweather after Mayweather easily beat Marquez. 6 Contracts? LOL Are you going to believe the same knucklehead hearns who says wilder vs fury ppv buys that cost 70.00 to order were horrible cause it did 325k? But the same hearns who brag about parker vs whyte did a million ppv buys but forget to mention it cost 19.99 to order the fight? Lol. Stop it.

 

You are literally on another thread regarding the Whyte offer saying "Im sure Hearn can do better than 10-12 million but i bet 12 turns out to be a decent percentage of the money." It then turns out to be a 4 million pound offer, not 10-12 which you estimated. Now you are in here defending the offer. Funny that you went running from that thread when it was revealed the offer was 4 million. People were laughing at you, and u had nothing to say. Go and make Eddie a cuppa tea, Frank. You have no integrity whatsoever haha.

As a side note, AJ is not ducking Whyte. Don't fall for it people. What we are seeing is a matchroom strategy. To try and make it look as if there is friction between Whyte & Hearn. Hearn loves these subplots.

 

Agreed. Precisely this...

 

Didn't sell out the fight vs Povetkin. Still great numbers, but a small decline which will not have gone unnoticed at Matchroom Towers. Hearn has talked so much about Wilder (and a lesser extent Fury) he's almost made this problem himself...

 

Knock it on the head now. So a fight cant be made unless you are ring side in the fight before? You are still trying to make out that Joshua dont want the fight, its a lost cause, give up on it. Nobody is listening to the hate anymore.

 

Am i Eddie Hearn? I tried to predict what was offered, i didnt hide away from what i said, i expected the offer to be somewhere around 10 million based on the information i had been given. Id heard Whyte got 5 for Chisora, turns out he got 2, and Hearn said he was going to double his highest payday. I still feel Hearn can do more than 4 million and it sounds like Whyte had recieved an offer for more than that. But its still a decent offer with an upside. If he dont want it dont take it.

If people want to laugh at me trying to have a guess at what was going on then fine im not the least bit bothered im not that weak or thin skinned. And thanks for the side note about Joshua not ducking Whyte we already knew that.

 

Good post regarding him needing them in the long term. I don't quite agree on the Hearn running back with bigger offer side of things though. He may have said it but that's a different thing to actually meaning it. Hearn doesn't want a fight with either just yet, there's still a few drops of casual money to be squeezed from cans like Miller and recycles like Whyte. Wilder was planned for 2-3 years away until Fury came back.

If Joshua fights Miller, Whyte, Usyk that could easily take that time frame up from now. I personally don't think he'll ever fight Fury. The nightmare scenario for Hearn is Wilder and Fury freezing him out permanently by say Fury retiring and Wilder just getting too diva-ish. They should have actually made the Wilder fight when the opportunity was there, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

Bro fighters that's been in ringside have call out a fighter by stepping in the ring to make a statement that he really wants to fight and not the other way around. Mosley did that by calling out Mayweather after Mayweather easily beat Marquez and what happened? Boom Mayweather vs Mosley happen. Joshua had no problem being at ringside when whyte fought chisora in the rematch but didn't when wilder vs fury? Interesting.