Fight of the Week #15: Mayweather Doubleheader (Castillo I and DLH)

I am excited about this one! I believe I am in the minority (at least as this forum goes) on both fights. Memory says I had Floyd over Castillo 7-5 and DLH over Floyd 7-5. Interested to see how mine come out a few years down the line.

Floyd Castillo has had controversy and cries of robbery surrounding it for years. It will be interesting to see how many are willing to rewatch and rescore it to see how we view it in hindsight

 

Just scored FMJ - JLC, I scored for FMJ 114-112, 6-4-2 in rounds. I gave FMJ 1,2,4,5,9,11, I gave JLC 3,6,7,12, and scored the two rounds with point deductions (8,10) EVEN at 9-9. The fight was close and could easily go the other way. FMJ was always on balance and IMO made few mistakes, but JLC was bigger, stronger, and a good fundamental fighter too. FMJ showed that he could fight at all distances and be effective, his inside work in the 11th was impressive. But a bigger, stronger opponent who has excellent stamina is a problem.

The fight had some similarities to the Lomachenko - Linares fight, the jump from 130 to 135 is a tough one to make.

 

lol you always beat me and get your card in first! I scored it wider than I have in the past which surprises me and will certainly be controversial as more cards come in (hopefully they do anyway).

The only differences are I gave 3 to Floyd and you scored Castillo in that round. I scored 9 for Castillo and you scored Floyd, And I scored 8 10-8 for Floyd while you had it 9-9. Giving us the same result just me having a slightly wider card.

Round by round
1 Floyd
2 Floyd (Floyd 20-18)
3 Floyd (Floyd 30-27)
4 Floyd (Floyd 40-36)
5 Floyd (Floyd 50-45)
6 Castillo (Floyd 59-55)
7 Castillo (Floyd 68-65)
8 Floyd 10-8 (Floyd 78-73)
9 Castillo (Floyd 87-83)
10 Floyd 9-9 (Floyd 96-92)
11 Floyd (Floyd 106-101)
12 Castillo (Floyd 115-111)

Floyd 115-111
In a fight marred with fouling, bad officiating and the horrendous Larry Merchant...he is worse than Paulie if that is possible.

 

Rounds 8 & 10 will be interesting to see what the consensus is!

You scored both 9-9
I scored 8 10-8 for FMJ and 10 9-9
Harold Ledderman scored 8 9-9 and 10 10-8 for Castillo.

I think there will be a lot of variation on how they get scored. To me JLC wasted much of the first half of the fight with us both having Floyd well ahead at that stage (me 50-45 and you 49-46) . To me a Floyd’s early work sealed the fight as I watched it unfold this time through.

For people who like punch stats Floyd nearly doubled Castillo in punches landed in the first four rounds. So even though Castillo May have landed more in total, I am not sure that holds up to the 10 pt must round by round scoring?

 

I scored Floyd - Castillo either draw or 7-5 for JLC. R-b-r I don't remember exactly, but I had it 4-2 for Floyd after 6.

Floyd - ODLH - Floyd 8-4, comfortably. Floyd took all the late rds.

 

I won’t get to DLH vs FMJ till later or tomorrow?

But an interesting tidbit is Jerry Roth was the only judge to score 12 for Floyd. If he scored it for DLH like the other 2 judges his card would have been 114-114 and the official verdict would have been a MD Draw.

I can’t wait to rewatch this one.

 

So why not take an hour to rewatch and rescore it with us and see how you view it in hindsight? I would be interested in how you see it today and what your card looks like

 

Maybe, but I've watched it year ago and found it not very exciting (very competitive, yes). My card probably looks like Pat M with the exception I gave one of the latest rounds to JLC, likely 9th.

Pat M card:
FMJ 1,2,4,5,9,11,
JLC 3,6,7,12
Even 8,10

If I rewatch it I'll post my exact card in this thread.

 

I had Mayweather-Castillo I a draw at my last scoring, 113-113. Six rounds apiece with both men having a point deducted in rounds they'd otherwise have won.

I gave Mayweather the first five rounds outright. I gave Castillo rounds 6, 7, 9, 11 and 12. With the deductions, I had the eighth and the tenth as even rounds. The strange thing about this fight was that it was a reversal of the usual Mayweather twelve-rounder; usually, if he's in a remotely close fight, it's his opponent who gets a slight lead before Mayweather works him out, finds the formula and goes on to dominate late on. But here, he got off to a great start but then faded out of the fight as it progressed. His defence was still fairly tight, but from the mid rounds onwards he just never got going offensively and Castillo did a good job of moving to his right to offset Floyd's left hook, which he used to cause all sorts of mayhem with at the lower weights. Apparently Castillo was 9 lb heavier on the night, and it showed. I think this was the fight which made Mayweather realise he'd need to add a little more bulk to his silky skills if he was going to be as dominant moving up as he'd been at 130. He never looked overmatched in terms of strength or size again after this fight.

Gun to my head, if I had to edge towards one man deserving it over the other...then maybe Castillo. Just. But this one was way too close to call a highway job.

My opinion on Mayweather-De la Hoya has never changed; Mayweather clearly won a competitive, but not super-close fight. Oscar rallied well from rounds 6-8, but aside from the twelfth round the closing stages were pretty much one-way traffic with Mayweather tattooing De la Hoya with the jab, and Oscar becoming a little disheartened and discouraged, falling in to the trap of walking forward without really letting many shots go.

I ended up with 116-113 last time I scored it. Mayweather taking rounds 1, 3, 4, 5, 9, 10 and 11, Oscar taking rounds 2, 7, 8 and 12 with the sixth a 10-10.

Would have loved to have given these fights a fresh watch for the purpose of this thread (it's a great idea), but sadly just don't have the time right now. Ah well, maybe next time.

 

I scored FMJ - ODLH for FMJ 115-113 or 7-5 in rounds. I gave FMJ 1,3,5,6,9,10,11, I gave ODLH 2,4,7,8,12. Good fight, but had to put it on mute because of Lampley and Merchant. I enjoyed listening to Steward. I could see someone scoring it more heavily for FMJ as he was more accurate and was hitting ODLH more while ODLH was missing a lot. Anyway, another close fight with a lot of close rounds.

 

Nice card! You beat me again lol, and I chose to mute the audio as well lol.

We had 3 rounds different this time
3 & 6 I scored for DLH and you scored Floyd and round 8 you scored DLH I scored for Floyd.

Round by round
1 FMJ
2 DLH (19-19)
3 DLH (DLH 29-28)
4 DLH (DLH 39-37)
5 FMJ (DLH 48-47)
6 DLH (DLH 58-56)
7 DLH (DLH 68-65)
8 FMJ (DLH 77-75)
9 FMJ (DLH 86-85)
10 FMJ (95-95)
11 FMJ (FMJ 105-104)
12 DLH (114-114)

I scored it a draw 6-6 or 114-114

 

I just had Mayweather beating Castillo 9-3

Castillo did very well in the 6th and 7th and outworked Mayweather in the 12th. Round 5 was close but I had Floyd winning it.

A lot of Castillo's punching was smothered and ineffective while Mayweather's punches were clean. I'm pretty sure that's what the judges were seeing.

The commentary sucked and viewers in general didn't know how to react to seeing Mayweather in a rough fight. I had a little closer when I watched it live.

 

I always thought it was humorous that Floyd Sr felt like Oscar won this fight. I don’t put a lot of stock in compubox or punch stats myself. I do think Floyd landed more but Oscar threw more and landed better in a lot of rounds. Good card and insights