Jack Dempsey vs Prime Frank Bruno

I don't know .. Bruno is much bigger and tough early with some good skills .. so much stronger, not just a wild man like Firpo or a relic like Willard .. maybe Jack plays it cool and catches him early , don't much of a romantic here but who knows ..

 

Think we may have our wires crossed here a bit plus i overestimated the time between fights that i mentioned. I was trying to recall from memory but i just looked over the chat i had. I wasnt taking bout bruno when i referred to the world champ telling me something, it was him himself. He said he had 2 world title fights in 3 months and he wanted a break but they , lawless and duff, threatened to sue if he never took it, which was 3 months after the 2nd fight. Now i dont know the ins and outs but those were his words and he added that him and lawless werent even speaking and looking back it was a shame

 

Bruno had the following world title fights.
No1. TimWitherspoon July 19th1986
No 2.Mike Tyson 25 th Feb1989
No 3.Lennox Lewis 1stDec 1993
No 4.Oliver McCall2ndSep1995
No5.Mike Tyson16th Mar 1996.

The shortest period between them is the 6 months between the McCall and Tyson second fight. For which fights Bruno was no longer managed by Lawless,or promoted by Duff,having severed his connections once his contract expired. He did this by phone call,there's gratitude and courtesy for you!
"On 2 September 1995, Bruno finally became world champion by outpointing WBC Champion Oliver McCall over twelve rounds. Bruno did not last long as champion – the contract he signed to get McCall meant he had to face Mike Tyson in his first defence. Tyson beat Bruno on a stoppage in round three."

Bruno did not merit 3 of the title fights as he wasn't even ranked,and he would not have got them without Lawless and Duff.

 

again mate, im not sure if its my mistake or not but the last reply was not regarding Bruno, it was regarding another fighter

 

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This would actually be a good match and would answer so many questions. We've got a modern guy who at his best weighs a shade under 230 against an ATG who at his best weighs a shade under 190. The modern guy is chiseled, very stiff but very powerful. The ATG is much more fluid and skilled and can punch as good as any 190 pound guy is going to. It's an exciting stouch.

 

Perhaps it wouldn't answer anything at all.

After Dempsey demolished Bruno, people might argue that Bruno wasn't among the best or brightest contenders of the era, and that the result proved very little.

Perhaps they would be right!

 

Complete speculation!

 

Allow me to rephrase then.

If Dempsey defeated Bruno, I am certain that his current critics would give him very little credit for the win.

Instead of increasing their assessment of Dempsey, they would simply reduce their assessment of Bruno, arguably to a more realistic level!

 

I completely disagree. If Dempsey defeated Bruno, and even more so if he defeated him impressively there would be no choice but to reassess things dramatically.

 

I think people would simply point out that he had beaten a man who lost every time that he stepped up, and they would argue that somebody like Smith or Tucker would have been a better test of his ability to deal with a modern heavyweight.

 

Almost all modernists would pick Bruno to win. They would have to man up.

 

Nah, they would just decide that Bruno was crap anyway, despite what they had written previously!

 

A swift double quote would have them looking pretty shallow.

 

a 6’4” 245lb heavyweight “with skills” in the year 1920? Does it ever occur to you that it wasn’t not possible for a fighter to develop like that and be as effective in those days? Think about it. You had 6’4” guys then and you had muscular guys then and you had skilful men then. They were usually three separate guys. Muscles slowed guys down. Muscles slowed Bruno down when he actually fought. Fighters that were good enough to take Bruno into the rounds when Frank tired knocked him out in exactly the same way the best fighters good enough to last into those rounds against Frank also would knock him out at any other time in history. Looking like superman wouldn’t of helped him then. It didn’t help him when he did fight. Maybe it would help him now though.

yes. Frank conforms to some peoples ideas of what a heavyweight should look like. And it stil was not enough to dominate the era he fought in when guys like page, Tubbs, Witherspoon could win belts. It actually took a shorter guy under 6 foot “with skills” and often below 220 to dominate that Particular era. Not the Joshua/ Bruno/ Klitschko looking specimen.

about that defined 247 pounds. It was manufactured. Frank was a body builder. He’s not that big now. Just like a lot of those types of guys. They shrink.

precisely.