Ken Norton Losses

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    What do fans make of all Norton`s losses? How did fighters exploit his weaknesses?
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  2. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Foreman, Shavers and Cooney exploited his chin by smashing it.
     
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    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He seemed to have issues with some of the biggest punchers in heavyweight history. But Ali in 3 fights or Holmes in a 15rd war, I don't remember them even seriously hurting him. Psychological?
     
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    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Jump on him before he warms up, also make him fight back on his heels.
     
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    He's one of these guys who took a great punch up to a certain level of power imo. He took numerous blows from Holmes and Ali with very little trouble.

    If we look at who ko'd him tho, Jesus. Shavers, Foreman and Cooney (when he was way past it). He seemed to have particular trouble when backed up (possibly mental and technical) but only the chosen few could back him up.

    I segregate the early ko by Garcia as Norton was a different fighter with a different mindset then like early Mike Weaver. It's uncanny that they crossed paths and had the interactions they did.
     
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    This is the thing. It wasn't "powerpunchers" that "had his number" as one so often sees here. Because of how he used his feet, dragging the back foot along in back, it limited his ability to move back and to the side.

    Look, anyone that gets clubbed by perhaps the three biggest punchers in heavyweight history is going down.
     
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    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    It's not that he lost but how .. he froze and collapsed ..he's a tough study .. maybe only Tiger Flowers compares ..
     
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    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Yeah it was part psychological and freezing up, and part technical issues (having no plan B if he was forced to back up, his stance and style just doesnt work that way).
     
  9. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The first loss was early career as he was learning his trade

    Ali II - close, debatable decision
    Foreman - all-time Top 5-6 guy who’s a huge hitter hit him first
    Ali III - a bit of a robbery
    Holmes- razor thin loss vs. a top 5 all/time

    Shavers & Cooney - he’s already washed by then
     
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  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ali and Holmes didn`t hit as hard as Cooney, Foreman and Shavers, Foreman actually had to catch Norton with several shots before the bout was stopped, Norton stood to close to punchers when he fought them, even though he backed away from George he was always in punching range.
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I don`t think his style was suited to fighting big punchers full stop, he didn`t have the footwork.
     
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    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I have looked and cannot find footage of the first Luis Garcia fight .. to Norton's credit he did bounce back in a rematch. Foreman just crushed him ... Against Cooney he was old but had just fought a very tough fast paced ten rounds with a young and motivated Tex Cobb .. I was shocked the way he froze against Shavers .. He was had to fathom. The best way is likely the simpliest. He could not fight backing up.
     
  13. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    A mixture of all above. Footwork ,his chin wasn't the most durable and the fellas that smashed him were all very serious hitter's. But he also gave 2 ATG s very hard fights and scoring a win over 1 of them .
     
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    Norton couldn't fight going on the back foot. If he was 4 years younger, he would have retained his title against Holmes. Against C00ney and Shavers, I don't think his age mattered, it would have gone the same way even if he had been prime.
     
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  15. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    He struggled with big punchers but he was a handful for anyone without power.....