Why can't smaller fighters hurt bigger fighters today

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    But they could say 70 years ago. I read something where Charley Burley at about 150 pounds knocked out a 200+ pound heavyweight in sparring. Then you have Barbados Joe Walcott who floored and KO'd heavies. Not to mention the light heavies and cruiser sized heavies who were able to hit hard enough to hurt modern sized heavies back then. Is it the larger glove sizes now or what?
     
  2. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    They can, just watch Alvarez vs Fielding or Pacquiao on his way up, or David Haye coming up from crusier

    Sometimes bombers can't handle higher weight classes, like Foster, sometimes they can, like Moore, or Langford
     
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  3. joebeadg

    joebeadg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    they can, but keep in mind that even bigger fighters don't hurt smaller fighters often. I don't know how ANY of those guys take shots like they do.
     
  4. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    I don´t get your question. I think you are here long enough that you´ve notized the discussions about men getting taller with earths population rising.
    If you ask about gloves: Sure, small gloves do make you punch sharper, do more damage to less padding, as well as bigger man have more power to acc. bigger glove masses than small man, who would always take the tradeoff between getting hit/wrestled by an anyway slower, stronger man <--> more KO chance.

    Beside gloves, I think you know the answer. The chances of finding big man with skills are most slim in HW boxing. These chances got higher, since avarage man got taller/bigger and therefore men >= 6'4" do exist much more often today. You can calc. this via normal distribution and take the higher population in consideration --> Double digit factor more potential SHWs do exist than 60-80 years ago --> p(SHW_today) > p(SHW_yesterday).

    In other short words: The HW era today did isolate among other weightclasses due to higher professional level, that can not be hurdled by smaller men over the long run.
     
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  5. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Back in Walcott's day, it wasn't uncommon to see established world class boxers take on rank beginners - in fights that would make no sense (or even be allowed) today.

    So a good welter (for example) could be matched with a heavyweight, who had no knowledge of even basic boxing techniques… and toy with him, before knocking him out.

    Of course we don't see anything like that today.
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I suspect that necessity becomes the mother of invention!
     
  7. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They knocked out a bunch of bum heavies who wouldn't make it into the top 50 today.
     
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    It helps when the gloves are smaller and the rounds shorter.

    Another factor is PEDs. There is no getting around this.

    A less physically athletic bigger guy can work faster, react quicker, keep it up for longer without getting tired. So can the smaller guy, but when the smaller guy is waiting on the big guy to get tired -and it dosnt happen- ability ends up being the only edge the little guy might have left.
     
  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dana White told a story on the Joe Rogan show about Roger Mayweather, in his 40's, beating the **** out of a young HW in the ring. The young guy had insulted Roger in his own gym, so he made an example of him.

    An elite WW or MW can probably beat up a number of HW fighters that just aren't very good.
     
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    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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  11. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Larger glove size is one factor. A theory is back then is the fighters had manual labor jobs in addition to being prizefighters. Even the mundane tasks often required one to break a sweat. As such, they were better conditioned.

    Barbados Walcott was a powerful man. Very compact.

    The other factor is the average heavyweight is much bigger today. About 30-50 pounds bigger.
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Yes but 260 pounds in 1930 is the same as 260 pounds in 2019. For example, Sharkey at 190ish pounds floored Carnera, who was a muscular 260 pounds. So a 190 pound man can hurt a 260 pound man or at least could at one time. I'm asking what is different about the 260 pounders today that they can't be hurt by sub 200 pounders like they could in the past?
     
  13. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Primo is hardly a sterling example of a solid chin tho.
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    PED’s
     
  15. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nothing. In sparring I seen Medzhid Bektemirov knockout Gerald Washington and floor both Wilder and Breazeale and I doubt he was over 180 lbs at the time. I still to this day think Bektemirov screwed up royally trying to fight as a light heavyweight and could've possibly had some success at the heavyweight division.