Miller is just a kickboxer trying to be a boxer

Yeah Miller is more technical than Takam !!!!

I've heard it all.

 

*Yawn*

 

*Facepalm*

 

Miller has always been more of a boxer than a kickboxer. Even while kickboxing the guy basically just boxed his opponents.

 

You either deliberately misunderstand what I actually say or choose to ignore what I say and the facts.

I said Whyte is most deserving out of the current Heavyweights outside Wilder, Fury, I said if AJ doesn't fight either of those then Whyte should be next, I have said this multiple times.

That doesn't escape the facts, I can say Whyte deserves a shot and still point at his resume for not being great.

The facts are Whytes resume is OK, not great, but better than the likes of Miller, Ortiz and a few others, but the facts are Whyte has been very lucky but I will say he also had a couple of good KO's.

You talk about Whyte like he is a reincarnated prime Joe Frazier, the facts are he seriously struggled with Chisora twice, laboured to a decision against Helenius, was very lucky against Parker, if the BS knockdown wasn't called Whyte would have lost, that's a fact and there is a strong case to be made if the fight was 30 seconds longer he would have been stopped.

You say "AJ couldn't drop Parker", true he didn't, but did Parker drop AJ? He dropped Whyte, works both ways.

You make things up, the way you speak is comical "AJ refused to believe it couldn't happen" when speaking about Chisora KO.. whaaat? AJ tipped Whyte to win. I didn't see that KO coming, neither did a lot of people, the bookies didn't believe it was coming.

Your spin is actually embarrassing, an "infant" version of Whyte in their first fight, 16-0 Whyte, 14-0 AJ.

While I will say Whyte had an interruption in his career for testing positive for a banned substance It was hardly a seasoned professional Vs a novice was it? Whyte had two more professional fights than AJ.

And also, you talk like only Whyte has improved since then, far from it, Joshua is a much more rounded fighter now.

BUT THE STAND OUT BS FROM YOU..

Apparently nothing matters before 2015, you're not wasting your time with 2015 era fights.. and yet you say "Whyte whooped AJ in the amateurs".. When was that amateur fight? apparently that statement makes some sort of point?

After 2015 was it?

DO YOU READ WHAT YOU ACTUALLY TYPE?

I WILL START GOING THROUGH YOUR OLD POSTS AND SHOW YOU WHERE YOU GO FURTHER BACK THAN 2015 TO PROVE A POINT IF YOU WANT ME TO?


The rest of what you said is just bias drivel, Whyte is a harder fight than Fury? Come on, be real, that ridiculous.

I'm assuming at some point Wilder fans will jump all over you for saying Whyte is a tougher fight than Wilder, I'm not a Wilder fan but against AJ Wilder would be very dangerous and Whyte would have a punchers chance.

 

Irony isn't your strongest forte...

 

You want to go on about how AJ whooped Dillian back in 2015 as if it will always be that way. Well i simply replied with Dillian whooped AJ in amateurs so it hasnt always been that way.. the difference between those two points in time was experience. And we are now at a new juncture as Dillian has progressed tremendously since their last bout at a faster rate than AJ relatively speaking Whyte as a boxer has developed more within himself.

16 fights is infant... every video Hearn makes on the internet about AJ he recites 22 fights !!! Look at what AJ has achieved... only 22 fights!!!

Except Dillian had no pedigree in the amateurs ... no ABA licence didnt go olympics... so that pro record for AJ.and whyte does not reflect the level of experience. Whyte suffered a ban so he was set back even further in pro career. so all in all Whyte has far less experience than AJ despite the bout numbers on their pro records. Whyte has had to make up for it by learning on the job as a pro... that is why he is developing at a faster rate more things to learn and pick up. Hence he WAS an infant early at pro... went pro real quick and somewhat late as an individual.

It is best now as both have begun peaking to review their current level of competitiveness. From 2018 that is a fair analysis because Whyte is drastically different since his Dave Allen bout. It is old data.

I never made Whyte to be a joe frazier I authored a thread on here where I explicitly stated Whyte has poor technical boxing skills.
He is a box fighter... and I am only concerned with his ability to win a fight... not please the eye.

If you didnt know styles make fights then I cant help you comprehend that fact. Its an intelligence thing.

But Fury's style is weak against AJ and strong against Whyte.

Whyte as he is now is better match up for AJ with better chance of success than Fury and even wilder.

You say AJ is well rounded... well i can say the same about Dillian... both have multiple strengths and weakenesses.

Just remember AJ had 12 rounds to hurt parker and he couldnt. And its.not.like.Parker is a reknowned KO artist for AJ to be cautious.

But it is funny how you bring up round 12.with parker just exposes.your lies about supporting Whyte. Where was Parker in the first 11 rounds...? Whyte earned that fight because he dug deeper... and put in more effort.. he was up on all score cards. But sure... you bring up the lucky punch in round 12 as a result of whytes tactical error and ignore the preceding 11 rounds.

You are being so fake

 

Meaningful contributions to the forum isn't yours.

 

So what? thats more than u can say about WIlder. he's just a Denny's cook pretending to pass for a boxer. how's that any better?

 

Wrong again, I didn't "go on" about AJ beating the snot out of Whyte, I was stating he has already knocked him out. Which he has, he took Whytes Zero.

If 16 fights is "infant" then 14 fights is also "infant", so there was no advantage and it wasn't as if Joshua was a seasoned professional.

Oh right, so now it's about experience.. OK well if Whyte had already "whooped" AJ in the amateurs then he has no excuses in the professional ranks doe he?

You can't point to Whyte beating AJ in the Ams and give him credit for it then dismiss his loss in the professional ranks and make excuses about experience.

Experience wasn't a problem in the amateurs was it?


Right so now we should only compare Whyte and Joshua from 2018?.. that's apparently "fair".

First off, you won't go waaaaaaaay back to 2015 when we had black and white televisions and no internet and now it's only fair to go as far back as 2018.

FFS, I'm surprised you're not suggesting only comparing them from December 2018, AJ hasn't fought so therefore Whyte has to be better because Whyte knocked out Chisora.


I'm fully aware styles make fights, if you only look at every fight from your own perspective then it's extremely easy to make a case for you right own fighter, every fighter can be mentally molded in to a style that beats an any opponent.

We can use the old "styles make fights" as a part of a case, but you can't just say it and state it like that's all that matters and previous fights and performances do not count if they are older than 12 months.

And you say "And it's not like Parker is a renowned KO artist", very true yet he dropped Whyte and nearly stopped him, another 30 seconds and he would have.

Where was Parker in the first 11 rounds? Did you see the scores for the fight? It was a very close fight, Whyte doesn't win if that knockdown wasn't called incorrectly.


When did I bring up a "lucky punch in round 12".. hang on, whoaaaa, whaaat?

Are you kidding me? A "lucky punch"? really? Now you have lost any argument on this subject.. you are a troll, you must be.

Now Whyte is only getting dropped by "a lucky punch" and a "tactical error" and everybody else is a "fanboy" and "worshipper", you have exposed yourself with that one comment alone.

Blatant bias and agenda driven nonsense, well done, you done more damage to any of your arguments than I could've done with the "lucky punch" comment, so thank you LOL.

 

that guy can actually lift his leg??

 

Or Tyrone Spong. He needs to step up soon, he could get into some great fights in boxing, after a brilliant kickboxing career.

 

So what is your point here then?

You need to be educated so I will educate you.

When dillian first fought AJ in the amateurs Dillian had a succesful career as a kickboxer and was European champ and british champ for 5 years. He had WAY more ring experience as a fighter than AJ who just came off the streets.

NOW after their amateur fight AJ went on to fight more amateur boxing fights and then went on to the olympics where he received high level training and fought in a number of olympic bouts.

Whyte failed to get an amateur license to continue as an amateur and forced to turn pro and learn on the job all the while AJ was getting a wealth of experience from the UK national team and olympics whyte was training out of a dusty garage and taking fights for free.

By the time the pair met again in 2015 AJ was further ahead of Whyte in terms of boxing skill and training by quite a margin given the decorated team and resources AJ had around him.

Now you are just being an idiot. If the topic is AJ vs whyte as of now..why the **** would you bring up 2015 peformance when I have just proved whyte had little experience back then compared to what he is now 9 fights later... improved training facilities at loughborough.... 2015 is completely outdated old irrelevant data like yourself.

Why you have to bring it up is beyond me... since that fight whether you like it or not... Whyte had improved himself better than AJ has.improved himself. If you deny that than you are just ignorant.

Right, you can babble and drivel all you want based on all the data we have available ... Whyte woulf wreck fury based on style. AJ stopped Klitschko definitively by dismantling him with power and sharp combinations at a relentless pace. Fury akwardly jabbed and hugged.klitckko to a points decision. AJ.would finish Fury because he has more in his arsenal than klitschko or wilder with equal amounts of power and a better engine.

Fury would beat Whyte because of his reach... his boxing ability.. and his awkward dodging and getting out of range... similar to helenious bout but far more effective.

AJ likes.to stand and trade... Fury has nothing to upset AJ... hence AJ will shut fury at will.

Whyte likes.to stand and trade just like AJ and is a great counter puncher naturally... he has power to upset AJ unlike fury and thus stylistically he poses more threat to AJ.

What a silly statement this is... do you have any clue what a KO artist is? Then why do you say 'yet'..??

Any heavyweight can KO if they land correctly... they all carry power... this was the 12th round Whyte slowed.down as he was overweight and pushed the pace the whole fight.mm he made a tactical error in trying to trade when he should just have gone on the defensive and outpointed Parker.

You gonna ride.that parker knockdown of whyte your whole.life.like a *****? Dillian scored a clean knockdown using his signature catch left hook we have seen time and time again in round 9.

Parker caught a sloppy Whyte in round 12 that was clearly gassed... if it wasnt luck why havent we.seen parker do it before earlier in the fight? Yeah defeaning silence... please come back to me with a troll excuse

Yeah I did see the scores for the fight.
. did you? So Whyte wasnt up on the cards even without the first false knockdown? Yeah STFU you troll.