How did Mikey Garcia become so highly rated?

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  1. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eye test --- when you watch him fight you can clearly see his excellent skill level, technique, fundamentals, nd massive power up to LW. Excellent counter puncher, excellent timing and accuracy, very good footwork. Hea not flashy at all but technically and fundamentally he is superb and HIGHLY skilled. You can tell he started at a young age.

    Resume -- five weight class world champion, enough said. Doesn't have an elite win yet but has faced some very tough opponents and fought guys who stylistically had the potential to cause real problems for him. Hes beat everyone put in front of him, undefeated and now taking the riskiest fight in boxing at the moment.

    The only thing ive ever seen from him that's given me any sort of doubt in him becoming a great was the Salido fight. He dominated Salido, dropped him four times, and got the win but to me it looked like he was just on the verge of implosion and about to wilt under the pressure of Salido. I could be wrong, but to me it seemed like he was on the brink of totalling falling apart because Salido kept getting up and coming forward. Salido didn't even land a a significant shot, I mean it looked real bad to me and the stoppage came at the perfect time for Mikey he literally looked beyond relieved. He was young and that was a huge test and im sure hes learned from it.

    And that's the thing with these guys that are so elite and such highly regarded prospects, they are considered thosebthings for a reason. Because their whole lives and careers they just outclassed everyone so badly it was too easy for some of them. At some point they run into someone like Salido(maybe the ultimate gutcheck provider ever) and for the first time in their lives, their massive talent and skill advantages arent enough, at some point someone is gonna check their nuts. Some pass the test and overcome the adversity while others don't. I think Mikey learned a whole lot but I also think he was on the brink of failing that gut check.

    Strangely, Mikey dominated Salido while Loma had a really rough go of it. Officially Mikey won and Loma lost. But in the strangest way -- o me and imo, Loma solved the puzzle and weathered the storm and came on at the end and had Salidos number. He officially lost but to me he passed the test. Mikey was the exact opposite, he officially won but to me it looked like the stoppage saved him from completely tanking it and getting KTFO'd. In my eyes he failed the test but was saved. Regardless it was both earlier in their careers and both are now much better fighters because of their fights against Salido.

    Make no mistake, Mikey is 100% elite top 5 p4p material and possibly on his way to ATG status. He is now a seasoned and battle tested vet and most of all believes in himself. If you dont see him as an elite great fighter and top half p4p fighter I dont know what to tell you.
     
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  2. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    no matter how it turns out, its pretty obvious that you dksab, while my post history has been consistently on point for a dozen years... none of that will change no matter who wins.
     
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  3. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    In regards to the eye test, he's a solid all rounder, as you say he's not flashy but he has sound fundamentals. His head movement is lacking, he adopts a catch and counter style instead of using head movement which I think defensively is inferior. I think pressure could be his undoing with that style, against someone that can keep on him and throw in volume the lack of head movement could see him fold under the pressure, you can only catch so many shots on your gloves.

    Agree about his footwork, it's the one stand out thing I see in him, he is always moving, if he throws, he moves off the line, he's not one to stand there and admire his work.

    But I don't think he's top 5 P4P material, he's good but he's not that good. I have guys like Crawford, Uysk, Lomachencko, Canelo, GGG, Joshua above him. I think Shakur Stevenson when he steps up and wins a title will be better than him too. I do rate him P4P over Spence Jr but I think the size difference will be too much.
     
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  4. Txomo

    Txomo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe because he is a four-weight classes undefeated champion that does not hesitate to fight anybody... What more is needed to rate high a boxer?
     
  5. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    It's easy to pick apart people's records, happens all the time on here.
    M Garcia is as deserving as anyone else for his p4p status but is workman-like and not an outsized puncher so gets little hype comparatively.
    I would rate him as elite if he beats Spence though, not that Spence is amazing but, he is v strong and relentless and should simply break down Garcia over 12 imo.
    If Mikey manages to 'Lacy' a prime Spence then all props will be well earned.
     
  6. GK BOX

    GK BOX Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mikey is the real deal
     
  7. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That implies that Mikey actually has a great record to pick apart in the first place.

    He's beaten nobody. His best win is Broner. Let that settle for a bit.
     
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  8. thanosone

    thanosone Love Your Brother Man Full Member

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    Underrated resume. Boxer puncher. Skills. Tough. Has won all his fights comfortably. Fighting the main man two divisions above. LoL OP go watch synchronized swimming or something.
     
  9. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cause' he's really ****ing good!

    He's super small though, I've met both him and Spence in person. It's a crazy tough ask for him.
     
  10. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    I didn't imply his record was 'great', or that people only down-play perceived 'great' records. I'm not trying to tout him as the next Pacman or anything and I said I expect him to lose to Spence.

    I think you've tried to wedge in the phrase "let that settle for a bit" where it's not warranted, in a desperate bid to sound like YKSAB.

    Let that settle for a bit.
     
  11. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You didn't actually say anything, but typed a lot of words.

    Apply some logic.

    And to "pick apart a record" would have to imply someone has a record worth picking apart. There is nothing to pick apart in the first place. His best win is Broner.

    Let that settle for a bit.
     
  12. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Boxed for 10 years, coached boxing, following boxing for over 20 years. Can't swim.

    Maybe you should watch synchronized swimming or actually come back to me with why his resume is "underrated"?

    Again, his best win is Broner.

    Everyone here repeatedly mocks Broner because he can't win a fight yet praise Mikey at the same time. Can't have it both ways.
     
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  13. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I don’t know what you’ve said, but I’ve always been on point. Either way, one of us is going to be very wrong after this Spence-Garcia fight. So something will change, unless you’ve consistently been wrong. I look forward to laughing at you.
     
  14. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Not to mention he lost rounds against Broner, and got hit whenever Broner threw a punch. We talk about Pac being shot yet he was more convincing against Broner. We talk about Mikey’s power but his punches clearly had less of an impact than Pac or Maidana on Broner.
    Maybe Mikey has another level to go to against better competition, but the fact is he hasn’t fought good competition and he has shown weakness against subpar competition. I won’t be surprised at all if Spence gets him out within a couple of rounds. Mikey has avoided elite fighters, he’s a 4 weight ‘champion’ who is essentially still a prospect.
     
  15. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In Lomas first fight. But then Mikey got put on his a$$ (in his 30th fight) by a guy Loma completely destroyed in his 5th fight. You confused or something....? LMAO