Who was Jeffries largest opponent? Not sure if it’s been posted before or even in here. Just curious.
I think Munroe in terms of weight, and Bob Armstrong in terms of height. Neither are his better wins.
Without looking it up I'd say it would be one of these 4 Munroe 7-0-2 Kennedy 10-3-5 Van Buskirk 4-1-1 Johnson I'd guess Munroe.
Why would you include fights that I didn't mention? I specified exactly what time period I was referring to when I mentioned Johnson's pre-title run being impressive, and it didn't include Joe, Klondike or Griffin. So I won't even bother going over those names because you added them for no other reason than to disparage Johnson some more. Why is Fireman Jim Flynn not a good win? He'd have been undoubtedly rated in the top 8 contenders if Ring had ratings back then.
Look at it this way, he fought a teenaged McVey, an estimated 20-year-old 156 pound Langford, and a novice in Jeanette many times. In all of these matches combines ) too lazy to count but I'll guess 10 in total ), he has but one stoppage, and it was in round 20 vs. an exhausted Sam McVey. Nothing Johnson landed bothered or deterred Moran, Hart or Willard. Jeffries is viewed to be more durable than all of them. Make sense now? If no, tell me why. Jeffries fought many punchers. Choynski, Fitzsimmons 2x and Sharkey 2x None could floor him. Each hit harder than Johnson. The main reasons Johnson stopped Jeffries 6 years of ring rust, losing a lot of weight, age ( 35 ) and the desert heat in July.
Haters got to hate.As usual the thread gets steered round to a phobic hate fest on Jack Johnson by the chief hater . Same **** different day, same obsessed sick individual emptying his vitriol over some one else's thread.It's about time you were given the heave ho, you're ****ing toxic pal!
Johnson's pre-title run was impressive? He got iced early by Choynski ( who was past his best ) , TKo'd by Klondike, and lost to Griffin ( who was past his best ) He drew Scanlan, Stift and Everett and McCormick ( Who he had trouble with in 1906 ) And he lost to Hart. While I agree Ed Martin was a good name, he was KO'd early several times and could not take punches to the head or body. McVey was just a teenager when Johnson fought him. Ferguson, not that good, and he gave Johnson some trouble. Jeannette a novice with a losing record. Flynn a teir two white hope. Young Peter, Johnson failed to stop him even though he had a lot of size and weight with an incentive to do so. Johnson's pre-title run is very uneven, and when you read many of the fights, he struggled, went low at times, and failed to finish shopworn fighters. I'd say the best he met pre-title run in terms of their experience and condition when he met them were Hart, Choynski, and Martin. He has a losing record here. Any factual disagreements on the above? - Mendoza Some of the matches I mentioned above are post 1902. I included more pre-title run as I think he fought better good fighters pre 1902 that were close to their prime, where post 1902 some of the best names he fought were very green or small. Wouldn't;t you agree? Johnson lost to Jeannette via DQ when he went low, according to some primary sources was outboxed by O'Brien, was knocked silly in a 4 round ex match vs. GB Smith, and I think was lucky to draw vs. Jim Battling Johnson. Is that better? I mentioned none of those names in my initial reply. Fireman Flynn? KuRuPt, he was KO'd SEVEN times before meeting Johnson in 1907, and TWENTY SIX times in his career. He was a game journeyman type. The poor man's corpse might still be ringing from all the punishment he took. Do you think such a man was a good win? That would be stretching what good is by modern standards.
Facts are facts. I just have them, you screw them up or lie. No one here really challenges them, except for you, as you lamely try to argue with sources. You fool, we've all seen your vitriol toward accomplished white Heavyweights. I think Johnson is overrated, and I give my reasons as to why. Which other heavyweight champion was knocked out early, floored and hurting after a match and outboxed according to primary spruces in three spetate matches vs. super middleweights??? Do tell Only Jack Johnson, A.K.A. your wife beating idol. The selfish man who wanted to be the only black champion, and the worst ducker of any accomplished champion during his title run.
Yes, Sam McVey being a teenager age 18-19 for all Jack Johnson fights is confirmed. McVey beat easy marks early prior to facing Johnson. Wether or not he has fights missing from his record is debatable. Likely is the answer, but I also think the missing fights he might have are vs noddy decent.
Which facts did I list that was wrong in post #84?! I'm calling you out again, and I'm sure you won't reply back. I own you on this topic and many others. All you have is the hate reply. Anyone can say that. Perhaps your condition prevents you from using what's left of your brain?
I addressed this already. When did Jeffries suffer a bad KO loss than damage his chin thereafter like we've seen countless times? He retired having never been knocked down, let alone KO'd. So when he came back, his chin should've been no worse for the wear than previously. Yet Johnson easily TKO'd him, and sent him down to the canvass easily when he let loose. Others noted he could've stopped him any time he choose. Seems odd to say someone could've KO somebody that he's easily KO'd. If you asked if Jeffries reflexes were what they were prior.. I think that should be a no. Same if you asked me if ring rust affected his flow and rhythm, I'd say yes. His chin though, no I wouldn't see much reason for this to be worse. No compelling evidence there.
